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Whedon Explains the Difficulty of a Hulk Movie
TheVoidStaresBack.
"I would be less inclined to pursue a storyline where the Hulk is only ever the Hulk." TRANSLATION: "Marvel hasn't whispered the right number in my ear."

charles_buttlicker.
HULK SMASH CATHETER!

LB1984.
I liked Incredible Hulk.. And I have respect for Fiege, but this statement is just laaaame. Ok, we get it, there won't be a Hulk solo film (at least) before Avengers 2. No need to justify "why" he thinks a Hulk movie is difficult.

the_hitman86.
I think it may have been a worthwhile endeavour to have Ruffalo cameo in some of the other Avengers characters' movies during "Phase 2". Not necessarily as The Hulk.

blizkil.
I agree with Joss Whedon, but cameos in other movies or shows like S.H.I.E.L.D. would be perfect

Skinnedham.
There actually were Banner moments in Planet Hulk. Maybe they could expand a bit on those.

Snoop-Tyson-ty.
Really there was like 2 pages

HardcoreDeadlygamer.
Wait, why does a Hulk movie only have to be about the Hulk? Do these people not understand that Bruce Banner is just as important?? I thought Hulk nailed it, but of course, it was too dark for the comic fanboys...

Hyperious.
The first Hulk movie was too boring for my liking, second better but why not go for a third full on Hulk movie and see if they can nail it?

dorkgeniuz21.
Well I guess in world war hulk hes in hulk form for the entire comic and Im assuming they wouldnt want to change too many things up but I wouldnt mind seeing half banner half Hulk throughout the movie...

Tobiasdd.
Planet hulk was so good and that animated movie didn't do it justice.

DevilmanEX.
I disagree with him. We want to see Hulk smashing sh!t

TheVoidStaresBack.
Now, I'm a pretty big Whedon fan, but I think he's wrong about this. Especially in a Planet Hulk setting where Hulk talks and just gets to BE Hulk because he actually fits into the world, rather than sticking out. I disagree, but I don't make movies, so I'll bow to JW's logic...I'm sure he'll be thrilled.

dorkgeniuz21.
He basically thinks ruffalo wouldnt want to be in an all or mostly cgi'd movie but why doesnt he ask ruffalo....I dont think its fair that we wont see hulk until the next avengers as if hes some side character...i want to continue to see hulk and banner grow

Hopes0.
Do you want our money or not?

MANCITYhasBANK.
Stand alone movie with cameos from other marvel super heroes. Problem solved

Johnny0779.
Yeah, that's call the avengers!

Snoop-Tyson-ty.
We dont need anymore hulk movies..... :-)

taipower88.
Hulk has crappy enemies. There's a reason BATMAN & X-MEN are the best comic book movies around.

Snoop-Tyson-ty.
No cgi is key to a hulk movie.... ;-)

liebevision.
So you want a crappy bodybuilder in body paint.....?

Fafonio_162063.
Yes we want one like that

godtorron.
a bodybuilder with some force perspective shoots would look better the and be cheaper then a CGI hulk or done like hellboy just a guy in a suite

TonyNacho.
I still don't understand the problem. Why not make a Hulk movie that everyone would wanna see? You can characterize the Hulk just as well. I don't see why it being a movie changes that fact. You're constantly seeing the Hulk's POV in Planet Hulk and how he has every reason to be mad. I call bullshit on Joss Whedon. It's very silly to think the reasoning against this movie is because Mark Ruffalo won't be in it enough. I just don't understand why that's a factor.

thaliusmain.
without ruffalo it's just a CG animated movie. Planet Hulk already has an animated movie, go watch that.

skang2020.
i'm calling double bullshit on your comment. we want the CG movie not the cartoon. I know your just being silly, i hope, but just why? -_________- really the animated movie cartoon should be enough after seeing the avengers -__________-

thaliusmain.
Avengers has actors in it. Live action actors.

taipower88.
When Hulk mixes with the X-MEN = Hulk's movies AWESOME.

gambolingman.
Joss has got the right idea like it's a college. Keep him in a group with a study buddy. Never study alone!

drdre74.
and this is why hollywood is crap and can't get anything right most of the time. How are you going to say something wouldnt work and you havent even read the book. Plant Hulk was one of the biggest Hulk storylines in along time and it makes sense asa movie. Im not going to a Hulk movie to see Bruce Banner. Its called Hulk for a reason. Not Banner. The second movie is the best marvel movie next to Iron Man. Way better than captain america and Thor both those movies were trash.

OGRL.
Just get Andy Serkis, he would be the Hulk for the whole movie and he's a very good motion capture actor.

FwipShwipKlip.
Just get Mark to workout, then paint him green. There ya go, the actor will stay involved and we get a planet hulk movie.

blizkil.
I love The Hulk, but it looks like he's always trying to take a shit in these cropped pics

BadAzzLeroyBrwn.
Honestly, people. You'd think Peter David's epic run on Incredible Hulk never happened. What about grey Hulk, Joe Chill, what about Maestro, what about his always hilarious encounters with the skrulls? What about the infamous "Aids" storyline. There's plenty of heart to this character with the right approach.

dmanartist.
Am I the only one who felt Eric Bana did a way better job than Norton at portraying Bruce Banner? Don't get me wrong Norton is a great actor but in the Incredible hulk he never came off to me as a tortured soul trying to contain the beast within. He was too confident and the fact that his backstory wasn't nearly as tragic as Bana's hulk's backstory kind of takes away from understanding why he had so much inner rage. Also, Norton is usually more believable as a villain than a protagonist. I do feel that Ruffalo's portrayal was the best. He got just the right balance of inner rage and social isolation.

TwistedDecayingFlesh.
hang on so its fine to pollute the cinematic history with crap like twilight but a damn hulk film is out the question i think im going to go an smash something now an how about making the film original no comic book adaption or fermented idea thats been around for decades but something entirely new with no preconceptions off how it should go or how much hulk is in it cause im pretty damn sure whedon is smart enough to come up with something original hell he brought us a vampire slayer and a space cowboy

Brock_5amson.
Clearly its harder to make 6 more star wars movies, but not a hulk movie.

Papayamanx0.
If you could Find Rick and Samson, the only two Guys that could keep the Hulk Chill

skang2020.
Does anyone know why the Norton Hulk movie flop at the box office. The CG was good, Norton did a decent job at Bruce Banner, so what the hell happened. The previous Hulk movie did a great job in delving into the dynamics of Hulk's rage in connection with banner's internal complex layers. However the CG was not up to par. As for the back and forth on the next Hulk movie and director's concern for Mark Ruffalo's screen time, I think he should have read World War Hulk 1st to figure out what was so compelling and what we are so in love with. He has a silly excuse about worrying about Ruffalo's screen time, which stop the Hulk movie adaptation; Look at Avatar. World War Hulk is Epic. put the $$ behind it (Avatar style) and watch the returns. One actor such as Ruffalo can not hold up the progress. He doesn't make the Hulk, it was just timing in the Avengers; CG has grown since the 1st Hulk that's all.

scooter427.
I know Banner wasn't in Planet Hulk but there's no reason they can't rewrite it and make it work.

ronpimp.
It's not difficult to make a Hulk movie. Just give Hulk more to say or do. Watch Hulk Planet. Now that is a good Hulk Movie example. in all the movies or the shows the Hulk hardly says anything much other than "hulk smash" and growls and grunts. It's more of a challenge for the actor to actually start acting instead of just growling.

Alienfish.
Banner needs to be cocky. He has a reason from Avengers to get that way too in his new ability to become the hulk when he wants to. "I'm always angry." This phrase alone could be used to build a relationship between Banner and Hulk instead of having Banner fight it the whole time. Make a movie where Banner actually is becoming the Hulk mentally. Joss, you have to have some creative freedom here, SO USE IT!!! Banner/Hulk is in itself a conflict and that's all you really need to do in a movie is to resolve that to make the movie (unless it's a horror). Movie starts out with Bruce still having trouble trying to control the Hulk and he makes a mess all around the city. He rethinks trying to control the beast and instead goes about trying to become the beast and get inside its head. End of the movie would have an epic battle with a powerful, yet intelligent enemy who is holding his girlfriend, whatever her name is, hostage while Bruce struggles successfully to bring his consciousness into play in order to approach the situation in a more strategic and controlled fashion. Character growth man, you can't keep all the characters the same. Don't brush this off as something that can't be done. I just did it and I'm far from being a professional writer/idea man.

micksick.
and in the avengers banner clearly shows that he can control the hulk. he turns at will. and thats clear. so...

micksick.
just a bunch of jibber jabber..... more hulk less banner. thats the problem with the other movies, there was too much banner. banner is freaking boring, all the "oh i dont wanna be the hulk, blah blah blah. "

applegamer.
So hulk loses his chill at the end of Avengers 2, The Avengers and Ironman's Hulkbuster put an end to Hulk, then starting phase 3 is Hulk being sent off-planet sparking phase 3's Planet Hulk/WWH storyline. Edit: plus if Ruffalo does choose to leave the role of Bruce Banner after Avengers 2, most of Planet Hulk won't be needing him anyway

Tobiasdd.
And another thing rufalo, about that why am I here crap, you're there to try and give live to the character. That's why they mo cap it in the first place. Andy serkis doesn't bitch about not getting to show his face in most his films. Man I hate mark rufalo

YesThatMrNiceGuy.
I think Whedon is beyond amazing and I'm a huge fan but I thought the Incredible Hulk movie nailed it very well. If anything, the first Hulk movie completely missed the mark.

iheartdogs.
I thought ruffalo was excellent as hulk. Now that I think about it ruffalo is good in everything he does. Has he even done a bad film??

Tobiasdd.
Yep, it's called Real Life and he's terrible in it.

Tobiasdd.
That's a good question mark. Why are you here? Do you think that this hulk looked so much better than Notans because cg tech has improved or because rufalo already looks like a mongaloid.

Billykazooie123.
I agree with what he says about a movie being all hulk, but at the same time, they wouldn't necessarily need ruffalo for that movie. They already have a model made for the hulk, just someone else would have to do the mo-cap. But I get it though.

bluebox444.
Well...he has a point. I liked The Incredible Hulk very much (though I greatly prefer Ruffalo's portrayal to Norton's), but it certainly wasn't as entertaining as Iron Man or the Avengers. And I suppose I would attribute that to the factors Whedon is talking about. The Hulk himself is very much an anti-hero, especially in this stage of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and that factor distances him from the popcorn-movie atmosphere you'll find in films based on the other Avengers or a movie with all of them together to balance things out. On the other hand, Whedon may be underestimating the fan response to Ruffalo's portrayal and the potential of the character. Mark Waid's remarkable new take on Banner in The Indestructible Hulk shows just how far the concept can go. They could easily make a highly enjoyable film based on that book, especially since it captures a lot of what people enjoyed about Ruffalo in the Avengers. I'm hopeful that as the Hulk gets more mileage in future Avengers projects, Marvel will become more amenable to a stand-alone Hulk project. Perhaps it could be part of the Phase Three films.

Dalinkwent13.
One problem with Hulk is practically nothing can kill him.. While it's cool to see him smash things, he's never in any real danger. I think the Incredible Hulk movie worked because it was more about Banner trying to control The Hulk and constantly being on the run. Yet they can't keep going back to the same plot He works better playing off other's and he himself being a possible threat under the right circumstances.

Count333.
It's simple really to make a Hulk movie with the right balance. In the comics back in the day, Banner became Hulk permanently but with Banner's mind. So he was still intelligent like Banner but was as powerful obviously as Hulk and was still quite capable of rage. Just have that happen. Besides, that's how he was during the Infinity Gauntlet storyline and if they are bringing Thanos into the mix then it makes sense overall! Do you hear me Whedon? Just do it damnit!!!

TerrorfistCorp.
Obviously Whedon hasn't read Planet hulk cause if he did he would know that the hulk doesn't just stomp around and grunt in it... Okay he does do it a lot but he also speaks in full sentences and even rises up to become a king. There were a lot of slower moments in PH that I'm sure Ruffalo would kill. Even if its just mo-cap of his face and movement.

Da-1-CrAzy-GaMer.
I have an idea a SHE-HULK movie where hulks sister Jennifer Walters is in critical condition after she was involved in a car accident one her way to a very important case (make hulk and Jennifer Walters both have o type blood) Jennifer Walters takes the risk the risk of the gamma radiated blood and soon after the transfusion Jennifer Walters starts to feel funny but soon she discovers she can become like hulk and keep her intelligence completely intact

DJ-Slush.
But.... it's the Hulk, the fans want it, GIVE IT TO US!

stig4020.
They successfully made a television series of 5 seasons between 1978 and 1982 that even my superhero hating parents watched. The argument that you cannot carry a story with "a protagonist who spends all his time trying to stop the reason you came to the movie from happening" is a load of bull. Banner will always struggle to control the hulk, but it is a part of him that will inevitably reveal itself. It is that struggle that defines the character and sets him apart from other heroes. It is definitely not the reason to not make a movie, as the character has been shown to carry a television series for 82 episodes. I'm sure a 2 hour movie is achievable...

Stunnaz84.
everyone is scared Sh!t less to make a hulk movie :-/

robbathehutt.
While I agree that having the Hulk be the Hulk for the entire movie might be difficult from an actor's perspective, I never found myself rooting for the police or the military in the movies or Mr. McGee in the old TV show. Also Planet Hulk was an awesome story and I doubt the audience would have any problem rooting for the Hulk in that scenario.

kyjon.
The next Hulk movie needs Bruce at the core and up front. The "I'm always angry" feeling would be the crux of the movies conflict and then just enough of The Hulk smashing Ben Grim to putty would be epic.

cjjohnson86.
Hulk just does not stand well as an individual in a movie. Although the character itself can be interesting, Hulk just holds up better as a supplemental/ supportive character much like he was in avengers.

darthpibe.
So after all theres going to be the hulk on avengers 2.

rosiles69.
It does seem to be a hard task

TheVoidStaresBack.
"I would be less inclined to pursue a storyline where the Hulk is only ever the Hulk." TRANSLATION: "Marvel hasn't whispered the right number in my ear."