We know everyone’s not equal’: Queue-jumping probe looks at patients who receive VIP treatment
Wolfgang Von Unterstein
What? they only just realized that some pigs are more equal than others? (thanks George!) It's been that way for thousands of years. Either you have money/fame/connections or you get the leftovers after the piggies have had their fill. Welcome to reality.
tednoddin
It,s as simple as that
Average Canadian
The Ottawa fat cats should be treated no better nor no worse then us average Joe's
wackado
should is the big word....what about hockey players do you think they wait 6 weeks during the season...give head a firm shake,,,
Average Canadian
yes they should wait like eveyone else.
Wolfgang Von Unterstein
Fascist? Maybe, although I find it interesting that Cuba is not mentioned in the Wiki on Fascism. Probably they forgot. Anyway, the biggest hindrance to the Cuban medical system is the bunch of sore losers 90 miles to the North with their embargo.
neilpk70
So you're saying that the position of Prime Minister carries way too much power in our system.
bobpaul
The problem is the queue, not the queue jumping.
s_c_f
This is the inevitable result of any socialist system. As they say in Animal Farm, some of us are more equal than others. This will only get worse, this is how humans behave, it's human nature. And with private insurance illegal, it's impossible to escape the favouritism.
Wolfgang Von Unterstein
Any socialist system? Baloney. Its the result in any system no matter what brand it is. The rich and famous or those who have connections will always get better treatment. No matter what system, there are those who strive to get the top and rule the others be it a king, a prime Minister, a priest, General, Doctor or anyone else. We all have competition in us, and expect the rewards for winning what ever competition it is we are in. Everyone thinks they are better than others and expect to be treated that way.
s_c_f
The difference in a socialist system is that the favouritism is entrenched by law. The people who apply the law can selectively choose when and where it applies. It's not much different than having kings and queens. Those in the positions of power use the law as a tool to oppress everyone else. There is no escape. That is why socialist systems always collapse, eventually, after a long and painful decline - because collapse is the only escape.
It is the people who run the health care system in Canada who are the ones benefiting from the favouritism. Because they are the ones who run the system, there is nothing the rest of us can do about it. Because there is only one system, a monopoly, there is no competing system that can take over if the people who run the current system are removed and the corruption dismantled.
AZThoughts
so untrue. Having used both systems in my life here is what I notice - in the US taxes are significantly lower WAY lower. In my analysis even if my health insurance had cost me $1000 a month in the US (which it didn't and that would be a deluxe policy) I would still be tens of thousands ahead tax wise. The US system provides choice - many people you read about whining they have no money for insurance have plenty for big screen TVs and new cars - proving once again -- you can't help stupid. But in Canada we try to help stupid and we all end up paying for stupid. The Canadian system makes people who earn more pay more - but they get no more services - in fact even drug coverage in my province is based on ability to pay. So yes there is queue jumping - its human nature and you can't socialize human nature. Want to see your tax money in action? Go to emergency two days after welfare day - best if there is a full moon too. There are lineups of socialized drug addicts looking for 3 squares and a cot. Why should I pay for that?
Some Like It Hot
If you would look at the stats....it's the middle age and elderly and those with the advanced chronic illnesses that rack up the medical bills and are a strain on the system.
Some Like It Hot
Having worked 35 years as an RN and 5 years of that in the USA system - plus I have a relative that works in the medical field in the USA, I can positively say that there ARE queues in the USA - in MANY hospitals. If you have a lot of money and are a huge donor, you will get preferential treatment in the USA. It's not a great system south of the border. Yes, ours needs improvement, but there aren't very many Canadians that would be happier with the system in the USA. Just because they spend more money per capita in the USA doesn't mean you get better care....it's just more wasteful and repetative. Look at the other socialized systems in the world that work better than ours....you will find superior efficiency than ours...and that is what we should work towards. My sister lives in the USA and she paid at least 10K for each of her kids that she delivered there(medical insurance with maternity care was way too expensive) ....and those were "normal" half hour deliveries, same day discharges without complications - 20 years ago. Now your average delivery is $15 - $20K
s_c_f
My child was delivered in the USA. So you can just send your lies elsewhere. I know what it costs firsthand. Your BS won't work on me.
hjorleifur
The life expectancy in the US (ranked 40th) is lower than Canada (11th) and even Cuba. The US has the highest infant mortality rate of any developed country. Look it up.
s_c_f
Do you have a point? So what? You can cherry-pick statistics? Good for you. For one thing, we're talking about health care, and there are a thousand other statistics to choose from, but you found a couple that made the USA look unfavourable, and in return I could post plenty that do the opposite, such as survival rates for cancer which are much higher in the USA than anywhere else in the world. Life expectancy is only marginally determined by health care anyway, it's mostly lifestyle, diet, incidence of disease, genetics and many other factors that determines life expectancy. The same is true of infant mortality, it has as much to do with the mother's lifestyle, diet, health, genetics and other factors than it has to do with the health system, particularly in developed countries.
hjorleifur
My point was straightforward: there are other ways to measure healthcare success than the length of the queue. No dispute there are many factors determining life expectancy, but one of them is access to healthcare. Most of the literature I have seen points to lack of neonatal care in 10% of US pregnancies as the main reason for higher infant mortality rates.
Some Like It Hot
Move to the USA and try it out....but try it out in the way that most people down there do....with very little coverage and the coverage you do have is minimal - never mind the extremely high co-pays. My husband is american and he would NEVER live back down in the USA EVER.
Some Like It Hot
Infant mortality in the USA is directly related to lack of prenatal care because people can't afford it. Look it up. Also, Survival rates with cancer in the usa is only minimally more and the quality of life in those stats are less than everywhere else. In other words, you might live a tiny bit longer but you are going to suffer a lot and hate the life you have.
s_c_f
Do you ever say something that is true? It seems all you want to do is write a lot of misleading and false distortions.
Some Like It Hot
You are absolutely wrong about Medicaid/MediCal or whatever socialized USA system used being just as good as what we get here - never mind the attitudes the MDs and nurses have against "those people". I have seen first hand what kind of care that is and it is one of the reasons why I left the USA - never to go back. My husband can tell you about the suffering he went through as a child in the USA because a lot of care wasn't covered by so called Medicaid.....and if you are the working poor....you can't get good insurance at all.
I am surprised you haven't moved down there. Give it a try - but do it as a minority or working poor. It will be an eyeopener for you for sure.
s_c_f
Instead if you discussing where I live, which is none of your damn business, why don't you move to Cuba or North Korea, where you truly belong. I guarantee you'll love it.
MinuteMan
I agree public health care gangsters extorting exorbitant amounts of taxed dollars under the guise of "equality."
s_c_f
They can then use the money and power to control. In the UK they are now seizing private medical information in the name of socialist health care.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
Some Like It Hot
You obviously have never been to an average Emergency Department in the USA. I have worked in five different hospitals in the USA and I can tell you there are very long waits in the USA. I have been to our local Emergency department 3 times and have never had to wait more than 10 min to 3/4 hr....and they don't know I am an RN either. There aren't any 18 hr waits in our province.
Jack O'Layton ( :{ )
SLIH: He's best left ignored. Small man syndrome, or short stack syndrome. Is there a clinical term for that?
s_c_f
You obviously are talking out of your ass. I've been to many ERs in both countries and the difference is astounding.
Jack O'Layton ( :{ )
Sore loser.
s_c_f
It took me 10 seconds to debunk your sorry statistics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/mon...
I mean, c'mon, give it up.
And there's lots of sensible people who have commented and backed up my comments about ERs in the US, so your silly retorts are looking more silly all the time.
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