Google Annual Stockholders Meeting 2008

Google Annual Stockholders Meeting 2008


Mark It Down: June 6, 2012 | TechCrunch

@Mike Barriault
"And the volume is favored by the open approach that Google is taking." And that, my friends, is exactly why GNU/Linux is leading the pack in desktop operating systems while companies like Microsoft and Apple have absolutely no shot at significant market share.
@Scott Neill
Excuse me? What, exactly, are the numbers in that segment, as we speak?
@Mike Barriault
Scott Neill I kindly suggest you call in the maintenance man to fix your sarcasm detector :)
@Jo Haugum
Touché, Mike!
@Sean Griffin
An open approach doesn't necessarily refer to open source. That's not what he's referring to.
@Jo Haugum
Sean Griffin, kindly explain what he's referring to, then?
@Magnus Morton
Just call it Linux. Stallman will never know...
@Scott Neill
Mike Barriault , well I don't believe a word that Schmidt guy says, he's already proven what an untrustworthy dick-head he is. so I was merely asking you to justify what you were asserting.
@Payton Slattery
i thought apple and microsoft had the leading OSes I like linux but still
@Mike Barriault
Scott Neill and Payton Slattery - I was being sarcastic. Android clearly has volume despite, not because of, so-called "openness".
@Sean Gibbons
No shot at marketshare? Are you kidding me? Guess whose operating systems are the MOST common? Windows and OSX. Obvious GNU troll is obvious.
@Max Woolf
"Suddenly, the Flipboards, Instapapers, Soundtrackings, Instagrams, etc, are going to launch on Android first." Won't happen. The big issue that Android has that iOS does not is fragmentation. It's quicker, and cheaper to develop for iOS first, which is the biggest constraint for startups without absurd amounts of funding.. (which is why Instagram has an iOS client, but still doesn't have an Android client. Of course, with their recent $millions in funding, I don't expect that to last for long...)
@Mike Barriault
While I agree that Android first won't happen, at least not within 6 months (maybe gradually over a couple years, but they have a very wide profit delta to cross yet), I partially disagree why. I think first and foremost iOS is just a much greater joy to develop for. Fragmentation is part of why Android is a pain, but beyond that the development tools are just not nearly as good as iOS development.
@Jason Kincaid
Slow OS updates suck for users (because they don't get the new features/speed improvements), but I doubt they're as big a deal for developers. Many popular apps don't need to use bleeding edge APIs.
@Rajarshi Chakraborty
Max Woolf, what the fuck are you smoking? Most 20 somethings today who wanna develop apps turn out to have a bigger experience in Java than they do in C. Learning Objective-C and the associated MVC/Delegation pattern is a much steeper learning curve than picking up Android development (in spite of the poorer Android documentation). Add to that the fact that Google didn't implement a dickish Apple policy like paying $99 even for testing your app on your own device. All of these tell me it is much much quicker to launch an Android app (even if the quality sucks than a comparable iOS app).
@Oday Nasser
Jason Kincaid Jason!! long time! what happened to the omg/jk show?
@Rajarshi Chakraborty
Oh, and another reason most developers will eventually go with Android first is because if the whole app-thing doesn't work out for them, they can at least take their Java-experience to an enterprise. Mac unfortunately doesn't have that kind of wide presence in enterprise systems and so I don't see companies investing in Cocoa/Obj-C trained devs for a very long time.
@Mike Barriault
Rajarshi Chakraborty I can't speak for certain (as I'm in academics, not industry), but programmers are rarely only knowledgeable in a single programming language and knowing another would be useless. I learned Objective-C before Java myself, and learning the latter certainly helped my understanding of the former (and other languages, even those I've been using for years like C++).
@Rajarshi Chakraborty
Mike Barriault I am in Academia myself and my experience is same as yours. However I have seen enough developers around me who were somehow trained in Java at a very early stage and their experience with C is pretty questionable. This I think came from the realization by the faculty members in most universities and colleges that training people in a cross-platform OO language in Java will make them ripe for hiring by companies. My basic point is that while I might think iOS apps are better and that development on iOS is actually cooler for their documentation and all the added sophistication (especially the ARC and the storyboard), the overall advantages of Java will put Android ahead of iOS in the long term (if not 6 months from now).
@Mike Barriault
Rajarshi Chakraborty That is a fair point, though I have a counter. Java for Android (aka, Dalvik) is not Java for, well, Java. They use the same language, but have "different" libraries (quotations due to Google-Oracle lawsuit, but that's a different discussion). Learning a language grammar and vocabulary is comparably dirt easy compared to learning the associated library.
@Zorlac Realm
Mike Barriault "Java for Android (aka, Dalvik) is not Java for, well, Java" What!? Excuse me but are you a Java programmer? Java for creating Android apps is Java inside out. Only that the virtual machine that interprets the bytecode (or some class converted to dex) is Dalvik which optimized for mobile computing instead of the JVM. Dalvik VM uses diiferent libraries which are subset of the Apache Harmony but still is Java to the core (java semantics)
@Hariharan Balakrishnan
Rajarshi Chakraborty Ah no. I learned Java first and developed number of programs using it, but usage of eclipse to develop for android scared the bejeesus out of me. It took me just 4 days to grasp the mvc and delegation you speak of. Xcode sat pretty well with me. My M.Tech had about 7 projects based on java. Yet, I had to learn objective C for my internship and it was not difficult. Just my 2 cents
@Steve Gleitsmann
iOS is the new "Brew", Android is the new "Java".
@Michael C Butler
Moral of the story, developers: START LEARNING JAVA RIGHT NOW!
@Peter Stasyna
Python and Perl 4tw
@Jordan Ambra
Peter Stasyna I was with you on Python, but then you had to go bring up The One Who Shall Not Be Named.
@Carsten Brueggmann
Heh! I think I will rather buy mono for Android instead of starting to code in The One Who Shall Not Be Named :D
@Chase Grogan
"Of course, my stance is going to be that there’s no way he’s going to be right about that. Not a chance." *Flips back up to look at the author*. *Inwardly sighs, closes out the window*.
@Morris Zin
OMG! That's exactly what I did!!! MG deserves as the best troll of the year!
@Thomas White
wait, if you closed out the window how did you get back here to the comments section?
@Ryan VanMiddlesworth
I'm quite certain that MG and Gruber are the same person.
@Pierre French
He's still going to be right, no matter what you can say about him being a troll or whatever. As for you, well you seem to be another delusional fandroid if you think that google is going to be the 1st choice of developers in 6 months. Disclosure: I have an iphone and a rooted nook color, so I know exactly what android looks like and also exactly why consumers (like me) spend their money on iOS and not android. Clue: look at the apple app store and then compare it to the android market. Nuff' said.
@Justin Melville
Pierre French You're comparing a Nook Color to an iPhone. Imbalanced comparisons like a boss.
@Pierre French
Justin Melville i compare the app stores, are u retarded?
@Justin Melville
Pierre French If your sole basis for user experience is based on comparing an extremely low end Android device that has been modified to one that Apple touts as the best device in existence I think your perspective is rather skewed. Your argument that the Market ecosystem is inferior is purely subjective and the only objective comparison you have made is based on two pieces of hardware that are nowhere near the same level in terms of performance or user experience. What you're missing about Android is that it is available on many devices by many different companies. Because of this you are allowed to select the product that best suits you, the Nook Color is obviously not best suited for you, so why you bought it I can't even begin to comprehend (maybe you don't research or test products out before you purchase them I don't know). As for asking me if I'm "retarded", all I have to say is you sir have nothing of value to contribute to this argument so you reduce yourself to calling me something that means nothing to me when I have an IQ of 147. You should probably apologize to any of the readers who may have a loved one with a mental illness because it is likely them who have taken greater offense to your failure at creating an intellectual response.
@Pierre French
Justin Melville i'm currently typing on my iphone so i won't bother making a long argumented answer. stay tuned though it's coming.
@Enrique Olorvida
What do you expect from MG, he's an iOS fanboi... I didn't even bother finishing the article... nuff said...
@Mike Barriault
Apparently someone can't be objective and not have unreasonable hatred towards Apple at the same time. Internet 101.
@Jo Haugum
Doesn't that make you a fanboy, though? Ignoring everything pro-iOS?
@Enrique Olorvida
Mike Barriault uuuh, not an android fan either... internet 101...
@Enrique Olorvida
Mike Barriault oh and by the way... try to learn to distinguish subjective and objective approaches in comparing iOS vs. android... without being unreasonable...
@Mike Barriault
Enrique Olorvida Just read the article again to be sure, but MG quoted a statement then listed several pieces of evidence indicating that Schmidt was wrong. While I may not call that the definition of objective reasoning, it is a solid example.
@Shanmuga Subramanian
Android is going to win hands down in the end! Take my case I knew nothing about Android some 7 months ago but I was able to come out with few excellent apps..and this is more due to open source of Android and it's developer platform! It's not a real pain when compared with iOS and waiting for endless days to get your app approved in the apple's app store.
@Achin Sharma
maybe he got into the spirits and slipped his tongue? and there is no taking back of such things once said, the kind of PR horror it would bring would be drastic, so he didn't correct it. The six month is an obviously short window for all the instagrams and google TV content to launch android first. Definitely cant happen at any cost unless they have something really big that we are not aware of yet. Maybe of sorts being prepared in Google X, but then Eric confirmed that complete list of google X projects has already been leaked.
@Jim H Zafrani
I agree that six months is a little too soon for this to happen. I do believe, however, that whereas today iOS development is done first and only afterwards is Android development done (see Instagram, OnLive, Soundtracking, etc...), companies will plan out and carry out both development projects at the same time. Android is definitely a powerhouse when it comes to sheer number of devices and user segments that will never use iPhones. Any company who dismisses Android as being on the same priority level is making a mistake. Fragmentation may be the problem but the reality is that many apps work fine across all devices and developers are getting better and better at making their software work on multiple OS versions.
@Jonathan Hart
Probably not a fashionable thing to say, but with Adobe Flash/AIR 3 we can now make apps for both devices using the same codebase. Pretty soon this argument will be moot because everyone will be too busy learning Actionscript 3 :)
@Dalton Aeschlimann
Eventually it will....
@Peter Stasyna
he is so creepy... waiting for his lizard tongue. He attended Bildeberg 2010 meeting.... Very creepy guy who just swims with the elites of the elites.... He gets wood knowing he has access to our data and trends.
@Marius Schulze
I like windows phone. ooops ;)
@Abdullah Khan
The rebel..
@Robin Ashe
And Siegler goes on a rant to brush over how he was wrong about the Schmidt quote. Another classy journalist at Tech Crunch.
@Derek Jensen
Love how Loic was like, "so Motorola was not a joke.." Oh Google and Android is interesting.
@Heath Verhasselt
Android has too much segmentation, makes it hard for developers. Also I honestly think people are more likely to flat out buy an app on iOS rather than in Android, so why not develp for iOS. I do think however that if it became big enough of a problem, the Goog could just pay developers to create apps for android to be distributed for free or something, not sure how that would work.
@Derek Jensen
@[779805250:2048:Heath Verhasselt] and with the carriers now having more control over the Android phones than Google (Verizon and Google Wallet devices) ... the future of Android looks pretty dreary.
@Clark Li
Thumbs up if you think the product demo sucked. Steve would have fired him if he is on apple team.
@Joshua Grech
I was speaking with a guy the other day about this and he said he is advising customers to prepare for multiplatform apps. HTML5 and CSS3 will "blow the doors" off the app store concept within the next year or so. Ubiquitous apps is what everyone wants. And that goes against Apple's core philosophy and thus, Apple will fade back in the niche market where it belongs (and like it has done so many times before). And another thing (see what I did right then?), what is MG going to do if it is he and not Schmidt that is wrong? Will he stop being Apple's chief press release writer? Will he spare us the fanboi dribble? Will he take a vow of silence?
@Leigh Costin
Think you missed the point. App Free vs browser only is totally different story. The money is in the Apps at present - sort of mini-proprietary-lockin-ish-thingy
@Pierre French
Like google docs is blowing the doors of Microsoft Office. Yeah right.
@Collin Henderson
I couldn't help but burst out laughing at the June 2012 marker. I'm highly skeptical itwill ever happen, let alone happen in half a year. As long as iOS continues to be a smoother, more integrated platform , with a far stronger app ecosystem, no one is going to make Android a high priority. I don't think developers will ignore Android as much as they do now. I can certainly see a few porting to Android post-iOS release. The GSII is going to be a decent phone, and there might be some decent opportunities there for devs, but until Google can at least pull their shit together and create a half-decent development environment. Right now, all Android has, is false promises. When people brag about Android phones, half the time they don't even talk about the OS. All I hear is "OMGZ IT HAS A BIG SCREEN, OMG IT HAS 4G speeds", and occasionally someone talks about openess, even though it's practically an overused buzzword with little to no real meaning. Call me an Apple fanboy all you want, because you're just self-proclaiming yourself a fanboy of its competing product. I'm simply a fan of quality, a smooth user experience and awesome apps. Android currently has none of this.
@Alberto Celestino Poto
Can an iPhone open and play a .MKV file directly from dropbox? can it use a torrent client? If by awesome apps you are refering to fart sounds then I agree, but if we're talking about the 4 apps that studies say people use daily , Android is more than covered.
@Collin Henderson
Alberto Celestino Poto I'm going to go ahead and say the apps most people use are email and social networking, in which the iPhone blows Android out of the water. It also wins on the gaming front for people who like to game on the go. And also, a quick browse in the App Store shows a fair amount of apps that can play mkv files.
@Jason Barone
Exactly. iOS will continue to have the best of the best Apps, just like Mac Apps vs Windows Apps. Mac Apps are WAY better--sexier, cleaner and more useful. The same thing happens now on iOS vs Android and will continue for a long time. It's not all just about the technical process of development either, it's the entire ecosystem of how things work together.
@Alberto Celestino Poto
Collin Henderson I use gmail, like hundreds of millions and obviously, its integration with Android is way better than iOS. Social network apps are as awful on both platforms. And I asked if iOS alows .MKV videoplayers read the contents of a Dropbox folder, it's not exactly the same.
@Anthony Markle
Alberto Celestino Poto And I couldn't care less if I can open a .MKV file from Dropbox. What is your point? What is important to you is not necessarily important to millions of other users. Now my 76 year old Mother just got herself an iPhone 4. She loves it! Do you think she cares about .MKV files? she picked up the phone and just started to use it. Can she do that with an Android? Possibly, but all the geeky tech things that you Android fans point out as making Android better than IOS means absolutely nothing to her. All the "choice" in configurability and open source software blah blah blah just makes Android too cryptic for someone like her to get used to.
@Alberto Celestino Poto
Anthony Markle That's my point. You can't say, like the guy I was quoting, that a platform is taxatively better. I want my movies shared by my 3 computers and my smartphones via dropbox, so for me, Android is better.
@Anthony Markle
Alberto Celestino Poto Sorry, I wasn't understanding. We actually are in agreement. As they say "To each his own".
@Vardhman Jain
Anthony Markle lots of people around the world can use basic nokia phone as they buy them, does that make them better/equal to Iphone ? Most of us have much better startup with a new android device as lot of our stuff is in the cloud. Apple is still catching up.
@Collin Henderson
Vardhman Jain How is Apple "still catching up?" iCloud is currently the best cloud system for syncing mail, music, calendars, contacts. etc.
@Collin Henderson
Alberto Celestino Poto Are you deliberately stupid? You think Social Networking apps are bad on both plaforms? Have you seen Tweetbot, Fav.tv, or Path, Facebook, Gowalla, or Foursquare on iOS? They blow away the crappy Android social networking apps
@Benoit Octave
June 6 is Omaha beach D-day and most probably Google *Crickets*... ;)
@Peter O'Malley
Eric Schmidt's a very interesting guy but he should've shut up when Hugo is presenting Ice-Cream Sandwich. He was just irritating.
@Hongbo Zhang
wait, the host is using a Mac.
@Zev Lapin
I think you've missed Eric's point MG. It's not mere volume that is at the heart of developers platform choice, bur rather projection of volume growth. And though Android is ahead, it is not ahead by leaps and bounds, which it will be quite soon, based on current daily activations. You make some good arguments, but I think they are fueled more by your disliking of Google, than facts. Furthermore, your argument on judging eric's statements based on previous claims of software improvements is RIDICULOUS. It is obvious that each version will get better and better in time. You even admitted ICS was good, and yet not good enough to sway developers? You have to keep in mind that IOS has had a head start (a huge head start when it comes to tech), so eventually Android will catch up in all respects, or at the very least improve them.
@Collin Henderson
That's assuming iOS and Windows Phone 7 won't be improving as well. By the time Android catches up, Apple, or whoever will have come up with something better.
@Zev Lapin
Collin Henderson That's not necessarily true. Rate of improvement is not static. For example, MG is an avid IOS user yet admits ICS is "quite good." His reference point is IOS, so clearly, they are catching up. My point is Android's rate of improvement is fast. You're looking at the situation like an escalator, where the person ahead stays ahead by however many stairs up he is. You should be looking at it like stairs, where one person can be climbing them faster than the one who started first.
@Zev Lapin
Collin Henderson Really nice design work btw! Good stuff!
@Collin Henderson
Zev Lapin Although I agree with that statement, for the most part, I have to say Apple just isn't the kind of company that would ever sit down and watch something else surpass it like that. They're too proactive about innovation. I just keep seeing a pattern of Apple releasing a great new phone, then Android says it's coming out with the next "iPhone killer" soon after. They then release an O'k' phone, that generally isn't on par with the iPhone. Android users aree all "yayyyy" and iOS users are all "meh, no reason to switch." I mean everyone in the Droid world is getting raging boners over the GSII because it's very very close to being on-par with the iPhone 4S. I pretty much see the 4S as just a little something for the users to snack on while the iPhone 5 will be the big gun. Speculation of course, but I expect the iPhone 5 will far oustrip the GSII, and Android will once again have to play catchup. Just my opinion on patterns I've noticed of course! And thanks a lot for the compliment, I'm glad you like my design work :D
@Zev Lapin
Collin Henderson Maybe true, but remember, Apple was that company playing catch up at one point. Things can change drastically. The smartphone era is really just beginning. Np, I really like your style! Always had a huge appreciation for good design and you've def got it. Good debate, we shall see what happens :)
@Collin Henderson
Zev Lapin Totally, drastic change can certainly happen! I'm only offering my own predictions. I just feel Android doesn't offer anything "game changing" yet that can make their devices soar over Apple's.
@Nick Fleker Felker
Honestly, I think Windows Phones are going to win in the end.
@Carlos Gutierrez
Even Google releases alot of their apps on iOS before Android. Several months ago they released their catalog app on iOS first, well ahead of its Android Market release.
@Jeff Bernard
We know that allegedly 85% of Googlers use Macs over Windows and Linux, I'm interested to know what percentage of Googlers use iOS over Android. Not counting of course any of them who get Android phones for free. Marissa Mayer is a VP and even she uses iOS, unless of course she has a top secret version of Instagram running on Android.
@Renzo Verleysen
Nope, the biggest issue: profit. I'm an iOS developer and I'll list the problems I have with porting my apps to android here: -Android users are more keen on downloading free stuff then paid applications, where Apple engages people to buy apps. So yeah, profit. -Payment methods for Android market users. (although that's improving) -I hate java and eclipse more than I hate Xcode -Lack of UI uniformity (I like to make an app that blends into the OS AND looks good). -Fragmentation of hardware, resolution and OS version -Apple's support towards developers, hell you can even call an Apple engineer 2 times a year to aid you. -Possibly more piracy (although I can't confirm this one, I'm scared of it) So fix these Eric and we'll talk again. For developers a marketplace is not about how many people download free apps, it's about how many people buy paid apps and how much money they are willing to put down for it.
@Nizameddin HaÅŸim Ordulu
When did Schmidt become so bossy & cocky?
@Rip Empson
Mark it down b/c it's Rip Empson's birthday. And don't you forget it.
@Dinesh Israni
I thought this was going to be a rationale article but then it started getting weirdly negative. At that point I didn't even have to look at the author's name to realize who it was.
@Dinesh Israni
"That’s not to say Android Ice Cream Sandwich isn’t good (I happen to be testing it out right now, and it is quite good — more on that in another column soon)". Ooooh I can't wait for that article .
@Marvelle JayChizza Ballentine
I had to watch the YouTube video to make sure this post was not a level - as it relates to E.S.' quotes. I think it may be time for E.S. to retire to a ranch or something. He's made great contributions to Google, but his heyday is behind him. It almost reminded me of when Steve Balmer LITERALLY, and publicly laughed at the notion that Apple would price the first generation iPhone at around $600... Assuming it would be a major flop. Go figure.
@Αντώνης Παππάς
Well they dropped the price within 2 months. http://www.apple.com/hotnews/openiphoneletter/
@Vardhman Jain
Interesting would be to check how many times MG has been correct about predictions. Werent' IPhone5 on verizon supposed to reverse the Android momentum. http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/22/verizon-iphone-android/
@Wenjie Zhong
He could be right though, Verizon iPhone 5 isn't really released yet and iPhone 4S first quarter numbers are also not released yet (but they look promising).
@S Nasilele Monde
Wenjie Zhong what are you looking at which is promising if the numbers are not yet released?
@Wenjie Zhong
http://venturebeat.com/2011/10/17/iphone-4s-4m-sales/ By numbers I mean the official sales number coming from Apple's CFO. The promising numbers I mean reports from analysts.
@Glenn Connery
Nicely said. Cogent arguments all. I do wish somebody would do a study or something on why Android phone buyers don't buy apps at the same rate as iOS purchasers. They don't have as much money, they believe in open source, they pirate, they don't use apps, what?
@Huy Dang
Steve Jobs has his own reality distortion field and was praised for what he did. Give Eric Schmidt a break. If he doesn't believe in what Google can do, how can he persuade others to follow?
@Jack Woo
It is always about money. Majority of developers develop for... money. And until the day Android provides a better monetization platform than iOS, developers will never put Andriod before iOS.
@Dan Austin
You're an excellent writer who needs a better obsession.
@Vishal Soni
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@Erik Chong
"applications vendors are driven by volume"... This is certainly true as long as user trust Android with credit card and developer can sell applications on it. But one thing is certain, Android is more easily adopted into corporate world than iOS devices.
@Deyu Wang
What Steve said here will be prove Eric Schmidt wrong once again: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/18/steve-jobs-drops-knowledge-on-earnings-call-calls-out-google-an/
@Thomas McGuire
What, that 7" tablets are DOA? Better tell that to Amazon.
@Tim Shi
just another point in favor of MG's argument (albeit a niche one): Stanford teaches both iOS and Android development classes, however Android is only taught as a 1 unit seminar in which it is difficult to cover many topics where as the iOS class is a full-fledged 3 unit class. Although both classes get you up and running on the respective platform, it seems that the iOS class is far more popular and better setup to teach the platform.
@Chris CM
Android just isn't as sexy as iPhone. And it will never be, because of cheap hardware used to keep the device cost down. Scrolling on iPhone is like silk, scrolling on Android is like sandpaper.
@Αντώνης Παππάς
An OS can't be sexy.
@Isak Ranksouls
I love the setting. It's like following sports but with a storyline that matters. Sports: goal, home run, knockout, whatever, that's it. Boring, repetitive, meaningless. Mobile industry: constant development, quick-paced twists and turns, emotions, decisions, power struggles, drama. Life in the fast lane. In the end it affects humanity itself in terms of how we communicate and handle information. @IsakRanksouls
@Αντώνης Παππάς
" It’s like saying that by the middle of next year, the majority of all TVs are going to be running on the Google TV platform." Samsung and Sony are the leading TV manufacturers and MotoMobility is the largest manufacturer of US set-top boxes in the US. Why do you think they can't pull it off? They can just bundle the stuff.
@Ciarán Norris
Initial reaction? Oh, it's MG. Whatevs. But, for the first time in a while, he actually makes some valid points, particularly the one about the single storefront. That said, we often advise clients as to whether they should make branded apps and, in the instances where it's the right thing to do, we tell them that they have to develop Android and Apple. So will Android be 'first'? Not necessarily - but will become, I think, more of an autoamtic as 'well.'
@Adam Černík
and what does PalmOS say? C´mon guys
@Leoberto J. Preuss Jr.
"It’s like saying that by the middle of next year, the majority of all TVs are going to be running on the Google TV platform." If you take Samsung, LG and Sony (all Android manufacturers) you already have more than 50% of the TV market. And Panasonic, which also produces TVs, just announced an Android phone after five years away from the mobile space. These companies definitely have a strategy to link their televisions with their phones and tablets. At CES 2012 we will probably see lots of Android powered TVs. And in 2012 we have Summer Olympic Games and (for some reason) people like to buy new televisions to watch those events. “The best way to predict the future is to invent it.”.
@Christian Dissing Haugstrup
Android is in my opinion the most flawed ecosystem of them all. Pushing low quality apps, pushy ads and viruses. And now Google condemns Carrier IQ without doing anything about it. I once was a big fan, but now they have just become another huge corp. maximizing their revenue on ads.
@Raza Mehdi
I hardly agree with MG views, but he is right on the money with this post. The reason that android surged because of its availability across various devices. But ultimately success of a platform in the long term is dependent on its ability to adapt new technologies and timely phase out the old versions. OSX & Windows are prime examples in this regard. Also iOS & WP7 are probably the least fragmented mobile platforms. The most important thing to remember while developing for a platform, is to see whether it is the most easiest to use and whether developing applications for it will offer a high monetary value. At this point in time, iOS probably is the first choice in this regard. WP7 has a solid development environment base in Visual Studio, but Microsoft has to really market WP7 development in a really effective manner and offer developers higher financial incentives for their work. It would be interesting to see how they proceed in this market. What google must understand is that the customer always wants the most current stuff, not 1-2 years old stuff. Developers who write applications for android, ultimately have to spend extra time to make them compatible across various versions of android. This is a scenario that no developer likes. Google should immediately address the android ecosystem fragmentation issue. If android platform's fragmentation gets worse, consumers will definitely ditch android and adapt either iOS or WP7 platform for their next phone.
@Αντώνης Παππάς
From what I can tell from the comments, there is good money in developing a good Dalvik plugin for Xcode or Visual Studio. It seems odd that there is no alternative to Eclipse for Android developement.
@Peter Zan
Well, it's a noble stake in the group. My question is how many months *after* June, 2012 will somebody from Google be standing on a stage somewhere holding up a huge fake check made out to "Developers" with an amount of "$1 Billion."
@Peter Zan
group = ground...
@Phil Havlik
Developers are driven by quantity. While this is true, developers (as with most private companies) are driven by monetary gains. If it's a better business venture to make an iOS app, then there's no arguement as to which platform will be favored. It's all about the $.
@Romain Inserra
First of all, the way you link to the crunchbase at the end of this article, you make readers compare a product(Android) to a company(Apple)... Secondly, it seems you have an Iphone, Ipad, Imac or Macbook, etc. at home... You don't seem to be objective at all(and me neither...) in your article. "Flipboards, Instapapers, Soundtrackings, Instagrams" What is this sample of apps you're giving? They are, most of them and especially instagrams, unuseful and spamming... Of course, a lot of iphone users have it. One big problem of the Iphone is the use that people make. The other problem of the IOS is that you can develop only on an Apple device... Android SDK is usable on several devices. I don't understand why companies still develop first on IOS. Market share is changing... But Apple has created a dependency among developers, mobile operators and therefore the end users. It is easier to use but also much more closed... Android is more manageable and flexible, it will be the leader earlier than you could imagine... Stay tuned
@Joshua Rogner
Let's do the math, shall we? There are 550,000 Android devices activated a day. Over 180 days (6 months) that's about 100,000,000 new devices on top of existing devices. Another math lesson is the memory in these newer phones like the Droid Razr and the Galaxy Nexus. They can hold a lot of apps. If each of these new devices download ten apps that's 10 billion apps in 6 months. Say each app makes $2. That's a $20 billion dollar pot for developers to fight over in 6 months. By June, developers who scoffed at Android will see this $20 billion pot and build for the second half of the year on Android. Presumably for the holidays which is a gaming and phone purchase boom time. They're looking at 200,000,000 Android activations for 2012.
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@Andrew Liu
any one try calling eric schmidt at work? lol
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In India we have a saying eat only what you could digest, Schmidt definitely needs to learn that. With android he wants to gulp the entire market in one go which is not going to happen anytime soon.
@Akarshan Kumar
There are so many fails in the demo video it's actually pathetic.
@Daniel Carrillo
I do agree with the things that people do talk about in here I do agree that android has to fix the issues with the development part of their system since this is what really makes developers not be able to even have the tough of getting their apps there first but you got to be realistic it may be easier for the developers to get their apps on the ios ecosystem but sooner or later they will have to get on board since apple soon enough will be the next blackberry where people used to love blackberry and it used to be the top phone but since is just one brand just one phone it slowly dies because of the fact that not everyone is completely satisfied with what it can offer where android at least for the costumer side of it it tends to please more people so I do agree that android it is still very sloppy with their work but is a wider and bigger company having to please different carriers different cellphone makes etc this makes it harder to update but take a look on the cellphones that android has over in china or europe those phones are in specs and in looks more advanced that the iPhone I don't agree that itr will be next year when they surpass ios but slowly ios is dying u cant compare android with ios at a sales or company wise since both apple and google work very differently ios is a great perfect ecosystem but it does not has a lot of room for growth since it has to be placed on the same things as it has if u see the first iphone and the last one in terms of the look and how you use it it has changed little that has help the phone but over all its hurting it too.
@Archana Thakkar
Google is being run by Indians, managerially and technically. Even though Page and Schmidt are CEO and Executive Chairman of Big G, but still we can’t forget that it was Amit Singhal, an IIT Roorkey Graduate, who re-wrote the whole algorithm of Google Search Engine in 2000 which made Google the best in the industry. Then, Nikesh Arora of BHU-IT is the Chief Business Manager; Vic Goundotra is the man behind the whole Google Plus… and, many many more. Search FAMOUS INDIANS WORKING IN GOOGLE for more details.
@Dany Grondin
Someone please fire the "sound guy" He"s flap-flaping almost the whole interview.... Grrrrrr
@Jorge Rangel
You may be right about this one, but since we are talking about failed predictions, what happened with the massive market share Apple would have after launching the new iPhone in the fall? You said the iPhone would outsell all Android models, but Android's share kept growing. http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/22/verizon-iphone-android/
@Cliff Ophalvens
"Android development itself remains a huge pain in the ass", did you ever developed an Android app? I developed for iOS and now I'm a full time android developer. The tools are WAY better dan XCode. The Andrid SDK is a playground for every developer!