Monday, October 3, 2011
Lenovo Unboxed ThinkPad Tablet
Bryan Lee 2 hours ago
I predict these Lenovo android tablets will fail for one silly reason - the name. I went to Google and searched for "Lenovo ThinkPad tablet" and went to the first Amazon entry - and it wasn't the android tablet. In fact there seem to be a whole bunch of products called "ThinkPad tablet" from Lenovo that are not this one. If I was actually looking for one to buy - well, I might have given up and purchased and iPad by now.
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Andrey Taskaev 8 hours ago
I had a chance to take this home for the weekend from my company, and play around with it.
I like it! I am biased mind you, because I am a big fan of the stylus. This tablet is designed to work with the stylus, and even has a nice slide-in spot for that.The writing app works quite nicely. It has it's quirks, but I got around them in 5 minutes' time. It also has handy erase/edit options, and lets you pick interpretations of the handwriting if you don't like what it saw.
One annoyance was that when it was low on power, it would start up, then shut down - all while plugged in. I had to leave it for awhile to get some juice in. Is that an Android thing? Wouldn't know.
Still, I really liked the tablet. It runs smoothly, cooperates nicely with the stylus, feels good in my hands.
Also collects fingerprints, but hey, probably my fault :P
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aAldan 11 hours ago
Seems like a non professional review.
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Mark_OB1 20 hours ago
"Yet another thing that makes this tablet visually striking: a row of
four physical buttons, which line the bottom of the screen... Alas, they're
stiff -- very hard to press -- and we eventually gave up on our efforts
to get used to them..."
That is incorrect, but I had to LOL when I read it, because I had exactly the same experience initially myself. Surprisingly stiff, and hard to press. I was thinking, "what the heck?", or some reasonable facsimile.
But you're pressing them wrong. ;^) Because they're located on the edge, and might accidentally get pressed (a proactive complaint I read before the device ever shipped), they're designed so that won't happen. However, if you instead gently press on them towards the inside of the tablet (rather than the outside edge of the buttons), they click smoothly and gently. Think of them as being hinged on the outside, and sloping inward, and give it a try.
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Mark_OB1 20 hours ago
Dana... I'm reading the review, and get to the 3rd section, on Display and Sound:
"We've already established that the ThinkPad Tablet's 10.1-inch (1280 x
800) IPS, Gorilla Glass display isn't the most responsive in the land."
Huh? We did? When? I must have missed that. I went back and reread everything up to there twice, but I'll be darned if I can see where _anything_ regarding the display responsiveness was ever commented on... much less 'established'. Do I have a reading comprehension problem, or did something get dropped out in editing?
Ah, I see. Two sections down, " the display screen wasn't always responsive, and we often found ourselves tapping multiple times before anything happened." A continuity problem, suggesting things got shuffled around in the editing process. Makes for some rather disconcerting reading.
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DanaWollman MOD 11 hours ago in reply to Mark_OB1
That's fair. I tweaked that sentence so it should make more sense.
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tylersmyler 20 hours ago
So what do you think it got out of 10?
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kronosqq 21 hours ago
Check out my video review of the ThinkPad Tablet. http://vrdwellersblog.com/2011...
Pretty much I disagree with most of the cons Engadget listed here, my video should explain why.
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aAldan 1 day ago
It's positive that buttons are hard to press, not negative. It's a protection against accidental pressing. I'm very happy about this actually.
For me the pen was included in the package. And from Lenovo accessory document it seems that it is not included only in 16Gb version. So it is strange that you didn't get one.
Hand-writing recognition worked good for me, much better than I expected. But the most fun part about the pen is PDF annotating, it was a dream for me. (Software suporting pdf annotating costs around 2 USD)
Screen is quite responsive. I think it is software problem that you are talking about. It has happened to me that i had to press twice to get action done, but it always were home and back software buttons. Also I noticed that after first click button gets highlighted. So i believe hardware part does its work, it is software that fails. I really hope they will fix this.
Browser seems slow for me. Opera performs much better.
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Andrew Ware 1 day ago
Can somebody provide me with an example of a usage situation in which a tablet is the best choice for taking pictures?
Every time I've seen someone try it they look like they've just escaped from a mental institution.
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coltonbyu 1 day ago
I would like to know, what is the best 10+" tablet or 5+" UMPC for under $320.
Tablet Required; at least 10" multitouch capacative screen, 1 gHz processor (android), 1.4 gHz processor (ubuntu), processor thats fast enough (windows.)
Umpc 5" Required; multitouch capacative screen, 1 gHz processor (android), 1.4 gHz processor (ubuntu), processor thats fast enough (windows.), some sort of trackpad or trackball or anything that moves the mouse without touching the screen.
Umpc 5" preference; would prefer not android, also prefer a keyboard.
Umpc 7" Required; multitouch capacative screen, 1 gHz processor (android), 1.4 gHz processor (ubuntu), processor thats fast enough (windows.), some sort of trackpad or trackball or anything that moves the mouse without touching the screen.Umpc 7" preference; prefer no android, only want keyboard if i can use the device easily while being held in hands.
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likestech 1 day ago
This review is dumb. Yeah, I am going to buy a tablet because I care about the ports. Get real. I am going to buy this tablet because I can do real work on it, which I cannot do on an iPad.
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vinosp 1 day ago in reply to likestech
you ? real work ? Seen that lately?
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Tim Williams 20 hours ago in reply to vinosp
For the price, the touchpad is still the best option. Good battery life, screen, responsiveness, and multimedia. When Android launches for Touchpad (it's already ported and working, just need to figure out bootloader) you'll have the option of ditching WebOS, too, although I don't see a reason too with the 3rd party support it has now.
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aAldan 11 hours ago in reply to Tim Williams
TouchPad? No ports, no stylus, no support. It is completely different type of tablet. And it's only limited amount of them available. So not an option here/
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anonymous 1 day ago
The handwriting is cool. But. . . you can get a capacitative stylus and handwriting apps for the iPad. It would be interesting to see a comparison of the two for handwriting recognition.
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M G 21 hours ago in reply to anonymous
capacitive is simply no match for active digitizer, it's true. it's like finger painting versus a fine point brush--one is for children, the other is a tool.
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heatlesssun 1 day ago in reply to anonymous
If one really is interested in ink and handwriting recognition Windows is light-years ahead of iOS and Android. Posting this from my Windows 8 Asus EP121 slate using the handwriting to text converter and it's just so accurate and smooth and even the correcting process is seamless and fast.
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David Bowser 2 days ago
Lenova does this after multiple table releases and yet HP kills the TouchPad after one try?
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nick lockett 2 days ago
Whatever you do, don't buy this from Lenovo direct if you're in Europe, it is fulfilled by Digital River who appear to be the most disorganised fulfillment house in the world from our experience and Lenovo Europe will just lie to you to get you off the phone. Our Tablet promptly crossed the world from China and then spend days sat with UPS because UPS said Lenovo (read Digital River) had forgotten to address it properly. Despite 8 calls to Digital River, ("Sorry, we need to contact our warehouse and we can only do that remotely because we don't even have a phone number for them "- Duh! on 8 separate occasions) and 4 promises that it will get sorted out and someone will call us back (but it seems that not only do Digital River not have a phone number for their warehouse but don't have outgoing call capability either), the system just sat in UPS's warehouse gathering dust. On 2 occasions, Lenovo told us that their logistics people has spoken to the carrier and it would be delivered that day ... but of course it wasn't. Twice it was shown for guaranteed delivery same day by UPS or guaranteed by Lenovo that it would be!.... just not to turn up and Lenovo's promises of expedited delivery as compensation were also lies as no such delivery was ever authorised by them to UPS. Other people on the various blogs have highlighted the dire nature of their after sales support if anything goes wrong - and after this experience, I'll buy from a retailer as I have a right of recourse back to someone local who has to give a damn, rather than Lenovo hidden away in the Luxembourg and irish tax havens who really don't care at all!
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shonangreg 1 day ago in reply to nick lockett
The forums at Lenovo have been saying the same thing about buying direct from Lenovo in the USA: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Th...
I just ordered mine from Lenovo Direct in Japan. It has a two-week ETA. We'll see.
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Lelouch 2 days ago
Anyone thought she was going to write "Eat my shit" ?
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Rufus Pearce 2 days ago
Features be damned! I'll buy the first tablet I see with a REMOVABLE BATTERY.
There's no way I'm dropping a grand on something that I can't re-juice whilst travelling, and I'm not talking about a mains socket on a train.
If that keyboard peripheral contains extra juice, I might consider it. Otherwise, Li-Ion starts degrading after about 18 months. I'm not sending my porn back to Lenovo!
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shonangreg 1 day ago in reply to Rufus Pearce
The Toshiba Thrive has a user-removable battery, I think. The Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet can also be opened and have the battery replaced, though you need to be a little technical to accomplish such. http://lenovo.vo.llnwd.net/o16... Click on "FRU Service Videos" on the left.
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Rufus Pearce 1 day ago in reply to shonangreg
HELLOOOO Toshiba Thrive!!
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ClioCreslind 2 days ago in reply to Rufus Pearce
Someone please invent a tablet charger that recycle that energy expended while watching porn, that way Lenovo and its customers don't have to send porn, and juice, back and forth.
Oh, and please make it discrete, as there may be useage scenarios on public transport, apparently...
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Damien Shyne 2 days ago
we've been testing a loaner from Lenovo at work. it ticks all the boxes if you're looking for a honeycomb 'tablet'. the business integration and actual pen input is great, considering these dodads arent proper tablets I'd say the pen input works good. hopefully updated software will increase accuracy. works great with micro usb mouse/keyboard. IPS display is fantastic. battery live is very good; nearly on par with iPad 2. its a bit thicker and larger than 10" galaxy tab but it doesnt bother me because it isnt directed at the 'designer chic' minded gadget enthusiast. not bad for their out of the gate business tablet.
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M G 21 hours ago in reply to Damien Shyne
Can I ask what kind of work you do? Have you tested PDF annotation with the stylus, by any chance? Reviewers typically have trouble imagining real-world applications. Thanks!
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zzzxtreme 2 days ago
having usb and microsd ports, good battery life, with IPS display and for such low price and pen input, this is THE best android tablet
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DL8 3 days ago
So it sounds like they made the average quality Ideapad and based the thinkpad one off of it, forgetting to make it awesome... That keyboard case looks really cool but kinda silly unless you only have enough money for 1 device.
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Gabriel Makdah 3 days ago
Lenovo is the single company that has Personality in their products. The single most Durable components are that of Lenovo. Although it might not flash its wings in the speed, graphics, looks or battery compartments, its durability and safety ensure the best to its customers.
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Andy Simmons 3 days ago
"Lenovo just doesn't make tablets with the same panache that it does computers."
The difference here is that Lenovo didn't really put much into the ThinkPad line of laptops. IBM did all of the real work there, getting the design and build just so, and then sold their laptop line off. So where laptops are concerned, Lenovo really has been standing on the shoulders of giants. All they've had to do is keep replicating what IBM gave them, and not screw it up.
With tablets though, Lenovo is on their own. They've had to work from nothing, and this is the result of that. Clearly the company's area of expertise is in replicating a reference design, not in building a solid design from scratch.
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jdcbomb 2 days ago in reply to Andy Simmons
@ Andy: "The difference here is that Lenovo didn't really put much into the ThinkPad line of laptops. IBM did all of the real work there, getting the design and build just so, and then sold their laptop line off."
Wow this comment is so wrong in so many ways. First, Lenovo purchased the IBM Thinkpad division and kept the vast majority of the engineers and designers in Yamato, Japan. Second, since 2005, Thinkpad has come out with more revolutionary improvements to the laptop design that have literally forced other companies (Dell, HP) to keep up. Lenov is not standing on the shoulders of anyone. It owns it! They are not simply replicating but there is creative meaningful improvement everytime a new Thinkpad comes out (I know this because I work for them).
As for the tablet space, Lenovo is still new. But watch out for the near future. Huge improvements are coming that will likely surprise you and me alike.
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bakaohki 3 days ago
What the Blackberry "Playbook" should've been; nevertheless I wouldn't touch either one with a six foot pole.
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Jovon Tulloch 3 days ago
This is exciting. I'd like to see a 7" or 8" variant, then I'll buy one.
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Ray Lee 3 days ago
the pen looks like not agile or accurate ????
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shonangreg 1 day ago in reply to Ray Lee
Some videos and photos show the quality of the stylus and digitizer. And to me, it looks nearly perfect. The handwriting resolution and quality appear equivalent to pen and paper. Check http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Th... for these. Sorry i can't give you more direct links.
PS It does have issues with palm rejection. This is the number one complaint other than a lack of balanced software (including OCR and standard filetypes). The workarounds for the poor palm detection and rejection are: - wait for the update from Lenovo and N-trig; - press a finger from your non-writing hand on a non-writing part of the screen and then swipes from the knuckles of your writing hand will be rejected; - wear gloves or use a handkerchief.
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Commenter 2.0 3 days ago in reply to Ray Lee
Any pen is more agile and accurate than using a finger.
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Rufus Pearce 2 days ago in reply to Commenter 2.0
..not to mention is greater than a sword!
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David Menken 3 days ago
My Thinkpad Tablet came 2 days ago. I thought I might use this in my law practice, instead of an Ipad 2. I must say, I'm not wow'd by it. Which is very disappointing. It is less responsive than the Ipad my wife has. As far as note taking, has anyone noticed how "clicky" the stylus is? It would be a distraction to those around me if I was taking notes in a seminar. Do you think the software will be updated to make this a better instrument? I might return this within the 21 day window and buy an Ipad.
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Jovon Tulloch 3 days ago in reply to David Menken
Return it man. You've had it for a few days now and you still aren't wow'd by it & the pen skills aren't impressive to you. You'll be wishing you returned it within the 21 days return period. Your best bet would be an iPad 2 and a smart cover. Your iPad will become your favorite thing from the moment you turn it on, you won't be able to put it down. Most importantly Apple has a great notes app. And there are gesture note taking apps in the App Store. Also there are iPad compatible pens at BestBuy if that's important to you.
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Jovon Tulloch 3 days ago in reply to David Menken
Return it man. You've had it for a few days now and you still aren't wow'd by it & the pen skills aren't impressive to you. You'll be wishing you returned it within the 21 days return period. Your best bet would be an iPad 2 and a smart cover. Your iPad will become your favorite thing from the moment you turn it on, you won't be able to put it down. Most importantly Apple has a great notes app. And there are gesture note taking apps in the App Store. Also there are iPad compatible pens at BestBuy if that's important to you.
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Jovon Tulloch 3 days ago in reply to David Menken
I'd say return it man. Your still questioning yourself if you want to keep it or return it and you've already had it three days now. You'll never be truly satisfied with it for as long as you have it. Get an iPad and a smart cover, you'll fall in love with it. Most importantly, Apple has a great notes app & there are tons of other ones in the App Store. Also, you can buy a pen from BestBuy to use with the iPad.
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Corbin Davenport 3 days ago in reply to Jovon Tulloch
Triple post?
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Chris Rackauckas 3 days ago
A huge plus not mentioned here is that the pen can be used with any app. The Flyer doesn't have that. The pen is always usable. EzPDF Reader, Sketchbook Pro, the internet when you need a fine point, etc. Pen all day every day. I love my thinkpad and am not going back to capacitive pens to right. This is miles above. And mine hasn't been sluggish.
Best buy ever.
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Zach Spiller 3 days ago
So how difficult would it actually be to install Windows 8 on this machine? Would there be appropriate drivers for everything, including the pen?
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ClioCreslind 3 days ago
Dana, You're writing the 'I' like a sideways 'H'. May be the recognition is not expecting people to write an 'I' with 3 pen strokes, with the horizontal bars.
And then your chicken scratch "My name is not Daniel"... to be fair, you wrote the word "name" so poorly, you simply cannot expect anyone to recognize it.
I think your review didn't do the writing recognition justice.
Also as others has mentioned, try writing with your palm resting on screen. I think people will be interested to know how well its palm-rejection works. It may also help accuracy.
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Mandar Lele 3 days ago in reply to ClioCreslind
Palm rejection works very well .. and the software itself can recognize letters well from my own handwriting to someone stranger ..
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danbo1984 3 days ago
this has "hospital use" written all over it; looks bomb-proof and I'd expect to see a fair few turn up in the NHS
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Stephen Salinas 2 days ago in reply to danbo1984
Android isn't ideal for running such software. Too many glitches. Handwriting recognition is not as good as the Windows version and only works in the notes application and nowhere else. Running web-based EMR/EHR? Even worse. You might as well go the iPad route. At least a number of developers out their test the software to run on iOS.
Best tablet/laptop for hospital/practice use will always be the Thinkpad X220. Once they release the Windows version of this tablet later down the road, that's a whole other story.
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amportfolio 3 days ago
I love my ThinkPad tablet. It's been a month now and I dont see any disappointment. Maybe I'm easier to please.
I consume media on it, do my various Social Media and blog reading, and take notes at work meetings. The USB means that I don't have to take a laptop with me when I travel. I still love my choice and would have been disappointed if I had gotten an iPad.
One con though...I didn't like the Social Touch app because it did not cover a lot of sites outside of Facebook and Twitter. Plus you cannot put multiple Twitter accounts in it. I ended up hiding it and going with the Facebook app and Tweetdeck.
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josephplumbmartin 3 days ago
i'm a bit disappointed the new thinkpad tablet is not better than my iPad 1.. :-(
a user review at http://forum.tinkpads.com is also disappointed..
very sad but i will give one a try just to see what the android 3 will do..
why..? i guess i am what the reviewer here calls a thinkpad fanboy..
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Zrat 3 days ago
@Georgi Bonchev : You are kidding right ? The Thinkpad Tablet has Sketchbook pro for HC that the Flyer has not. And as it uses N-trig digitizer, you have the palm rejection !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
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Zrat 3 days ago
You have forgotten something some people may love : the potential of this tablet for drawing.
The text recognition may be bad, combined with Autodesk Sketchbook pro this tablet seems to be wonderful. With this digitizer, you have pressure sensitivity and palm rejection.
Example here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
The HTC Flyer has the same technology but as long as it is stucked with Android 2.3, it will not have a decent drawing application (which Sketchbook pro for HC is) : layers support, transparency lock, pressure sensitivity, PSD export to finish the job on a PC etc...
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Valentina Caicedo 3 days ago in reply to Zrat
You linked my video :D. I do agree the tablet is a blast for sketching on the go. Granted it does not ignore your palm when drawing so I use a glove where I cut the fingers off. I use my fingers to zoom in and out while I draw with the pen. Drawing on this tablet does not compare how nice it is to say drawing on an iPad with a blunt stylus (I can draw on the iPad but I do not prefer it at all). I got the thinkpad tablet to draw on the go as it turns on so fast I thought it would be a great addition to my purse. The OS works great and with the amount of apps in the android store it was a total winner for me (sketchbook is simply amazing and a must have for artists). I would personally recommend it to others who are artists out there :), worth it in my eyes.
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306maxi 3 days ago in reply to Zrat
That's pretty useful and a great use of the technology. Personally I just don't get the point of iPad's and the like, they're just big phoneless phones.......
This is actually quite a useful feature if only for a smallish amount of people :)
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Georgi Bonchev 3 days ago
Too bad. I wanted Flyer with Tegra and bigger screen, but to me personally HTC got it way better. Very disappointing :(
Neglecting the software glitches, this tablet badly lacks a decent drawing app and hw button for switching between touch and pen input so you can rest your palm on the screen(if it works like the flyer - didn't find it in the review). They will probably make it better the second time... But this is the right direction - pens and good build quality. Just make a pen which works across the whole OS!
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Willem Evenhuis 3 days ago
Very, very sad. It looks like Lenovo did bette with the windows software for inkability and ink-to-text recognition on the older thinkpad models with windows. I speak from experience as a Lenovo X60T owner. I would very much have liked to see a vastly improved tablet experience with improved inking abilitys in a lighter and more portable formfactor (such as the Thinkpad tablet formfactor). The hardware looks fine at first glance, but Lenovo has got to do something about an improved inking experience on the tablet. Time to team up with the best of android and windows I suspect.
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Ion Todirel 3 days ago
hardware design fine, software, it stinks
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Leafworth 3 days ago
I really like what I'm seeing here. Now, give me the same thing, with the same battery life, running Windows 8. Go-go.
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Stephen Sabas 3 days ago
Has Anyone considered using Palms 'Graffiti' for writing? cuz it never failed me on my old zire
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David Bowser 2 days ago in reply to Stephen Sabas
The official Graffiti app supposed to be pretty good. I would use it if I had an Android tablet
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kovesp 3 days ago in reply to Stephen Sabas
YES! And it turns out that with the pen I can write much faster and with less errors using Graffiti than with the handwriting recognition (plus Graffiti works everywhere, not just in the Notes app). And, of course it is way better with the pen than on a capacitive device (I do use Graffiti there too). There is only one issue (which has been mentioned already): the pen makes a clicking noise on the hard gorilla glass. With Graffiti, this is accentuated compared to handwriting since you are lifting the pen for each glyph.
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Eexploria-Blogger 3 days ago
Cool tablet! Nice recognition feature. This review without score is a new idea...Let users read, experience and review!
http://www.eexploria.com/categ...
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yahoo-YWCESOC7TECJUCKFICA6JLEAVQ 3 days ago
The ThinkPad Tablet Forums are now open at http://thinkpadtabletforums.co.... Come join us.
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Mikhail Ratchkovski 3 days ago
Lenovo shouuld have bought Palm.
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LloydChiro 3 days ago
Dana, why didn't you rest your palm on the screen when using the stylus? Also, did you try to write in normal-sized writing to test the transcription?
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DanaWollman MOD 3 days ago in reply to LloydChiro
"Also, did you try to write in normal-sized writing to test the transcription?"
Yes.
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kronosqq 3 days ago
I take issue with pretty much every con that they listed here. I've had the Thinkpad tablet for most of the month now and while it does have a slower than average boot time, the performance is equal to every other tablet I've reviewed, the note taking app was more precise than Engadget let on, although I use free-hand more than transcribing since I use it for math notes. As for the responsiveness it can take about a second to enable? the touchscreen once you turn on the screen (from a sleep state) but after that, again, it's just a responsive as the other tablets I've reviewed. My video review of this tablet should be coming this weekend at www.vrdwellersblog.com if you're interested.
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kronosqq 1 day ago in reply to kronosqq
Video review now posted. Make sure to check it out!
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Délé Adio 3 days ago
Can somebody PLEASE just make a very simple tablet that i can write on like a book. I don't need it to transcribe, play movies, have animations, Fu*k Mulch-touch or any rings and bells. Just wanna take some good clean digital notes. We took a man to the moon! CAN WE PLEASE DO THIS!
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David Bowser 2 days ago in reply to Délé Adio
Graffiti for Android. Its in the app store.
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Délé Adio 2 days ago in reply to Délé Adio
I want something like the Boogie Board But more effective in taking notes. Some back-light would be good too.
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KyleRay 3 days ago in reply to Délé Adio
Samsung Note! :D
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Shanghai Dan 3 days ago in reply to Délé Adio
You want a Boogieboard Rip.
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Kein C. 3 days ago in reply to Délé Adio
Believe me. You need a Kindle.
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sonus 3 days ago in reply to Kein C.
A Kindle doesn't allow pen input...
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LloydChiro 3 days ago in reply to Délé Adio
I suspect that this one will do that too. You just need to disable the worthless transcription mode. Nobody uses that.
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MyAppleConnection 3 days ago
Although i'm an apple person.. I am actually really looking forward to Windows 8 Tablet. It's an OS that will allow users to do basic app style tasks, + allow more flexibility with downloading and using it to do normal computer tasks.
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engadger 3 days ago
This note taking app sucks. Without a decent app like OneNote, your productivity won't be improved. Windows 8 tablets will be better in this regard.
Another chance is that someone finally write a decent app like OneNote for Android, since
- this Thinkpad
- the HTC Flyer
- Samsung Galaxy Note
could mean a lot of users...
Alas, even a Windows 7 tablet with OneNote would be much better if you are a productivity freak.
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Bill Petrow 3 days ago in reply to engadger
What about using Evernote on this Thinkpad Tablet? Can it be downloaded from the Market and used? I know One Note is superior in many ways, but I think Evernote could be a good secondary solution.
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engadger 3 days ago in reply to Bill Petrow
The article says this not too cool app is the only that supports the pen.
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bozlr 3 days ago
I would rather have 2 Kindle Fires' for the same price, though I do like how much different than the average tablet this thing is.
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Yu Tang 3 days ago
I thought the red dot should have been the eraser.
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canthonytucci 3 days ago
I dont understand how to complain about a review without a score.
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MBMBaMdotcom 3 days ago in reply to canthonytucci
Im not in the market for tablets, because I already have one, but there is no reason whatsoever that can get me to read this. However if this had a score and it was rated a 9, I would read the entire thing. Now I read nothing Engadget, nothing.
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XConan 3 days ago
Kindle is based on android but with an Amazon spin on the UI.
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0000010000 3 days ago
I bought this tablet, the 64gb version and I echoed what Dana had mentioned in her review. While the build quality is similar to those of the thinkpad line the overall experience is short of my expectations. First the physical buttons, it's really uncalled for in fact when you're using the stylus you often swype against it when writing = very annoying. Second, honeycomb is probably the culprit of all the "lag" that I experience with with it, I'll probably be waiting for awhile before this is upgraded with ICS.
I would rate it as a 7/10.
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Bazingga 3 days ago
as an iPad user who are often using stylus, the input stylus of this one is at least better than those designed for iPad, which are so thick and inaccurate. I just wonder what the screen is for the Thinkpad Tablet, it's kind of impossible for a capacitive screen to have such small tip of the stylus, so is it traditional resistive screen as X200?
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a5672931 3 days ago in reply to Bazingga
I'm guessing that "X200" refers to the Thinkpad X200 Tablet, if that is the case:
The X200 uses a Wacom digitizer (-->like a Wacom Cintiq but with reduced functionality/accuracy) and NOT a resistive screen. Devices like it (convertible notebooks and slates), aimed at professionals, have been around for many years and most of those use(d) Wacom or N-trig digitizers plus optional resistive/capacitive touchsceens (in the younger models) .
The tablet reviewed here uses (basicly) the same technology, though perhaps a less accurate version but even so it should still be much more accurate and responsive than a stylus on a resistive or capacitive touchscreen.If Lenovo hasn't f***ed up the implementation, you should be able to accurately draw/write stuff on this thing - as opposed to doing finger paintings on an iPad. The Stylus' x/y-position can be detected without it actually touching the screen (contact and pressure are detected by a pressure sensor behind the tip), so you can use the cursor like you would with a mouse, however Android doesn't really take advantage of that since it's designed for capacitive touchscreens.Due to the distance between the digitizer and the screens surface and the fact that the stylus is usually used at an angle, there is often a small discrepancy between the positions of the tip and the cursor, especially near the edge.On my X200T there is at most 1mm between tip and cursor and with the visible windows-cursor (which is just a white point when I use the stylus) to focus on instead of on the tip it doesn't really matter. Without a visible cursor (Android) you have to depend on the quality of the calibration (I have no idea how Android handels that).Relative precision however shouldn't be a problem, the Wacom digitizer in my X200 has 2540ppi resolution (whether the input is stored with that precision depends on the software though) and even if the N-trig digitizer in this Tablet is a lot less accurate it should still have more resolution than the screen.
Edit: the first version of the X200T used a resistive touchscreen but only for finger input, the stylus still used the wacom digitizer
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yahoo-YWCESOC7TECJUCKFICA6JLEAVQ 3 days ago in reply to Bazingga
It uses an Ntrig Digitizer layer under the glass. Only the Flyer and Jetstream by HTC have it besides the ThinkPad on Android tablets.
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engadger 3 days ago in reply to Bazingga
Nope, it is a special screen. Like the HTC Flyer has. Also, Samsung Galaxy Note will have a different but still special version. The latter will be superior though, without battery in the pen.
I also bought capacitive pen for my Desire Z but it isn't very accurate. Capacitive-only screens are for human fingers... (and not for productivity, LOL. I mean you cannot use a Capacitive screens for sketches like a paper)
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blackops142 3 days ago
This is very nice but did the Kindle Fire just kill premium android tablets with it's $200 price tag?
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engadger 3 days ago in reply to blackops142
With a closed ecosys? No.
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blackops142 3 days ago in reply to engadger
Open boot loader = open ecosystem. IDK if the Kindle Fire will take 3rd party ROMs but I hope it will. I do like this tablet but for someone like me it's a little bit overpriced.
Also I'm forgetting most people don't like to load their own software/ hack their devices SO you're right, these will sell just fine. ;)
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Laborin_HK 3 days ago
I was planning to get either this or the transformer to replace my aging and clunky windows tablet.
I REALLY want the pen, I draw alot on my current tablet and the inking experience is really good. The flyer was too small to fully replace my laptop and lack of a keyboard dock crossed it out.
Should I get the transformer or this? I know capacitive stylus are no where near as good, but the transformer seems like a better package overall (e.g when docked onto the keyboard, you have 2 USB, this you can't have a usb in while using the dock)... Transformer + digitizer would be so full of WIN.
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Orlando Santos 4 days ago
I agree! I received mine a week ago and must admit that it does take a full minute to boot, the screen is not always responisve (as with ALL tablets), and the handwriting recognition may not do a great job (if your handwriting isnt the best) BUT, It is the BEST tablet I have seen so far, the best build quality, best digitizer pen, and full USB, SD, mini HDMI --- well it just puts it over the top! I do think this reviewer from engadget was biased...
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Guest 4 days ago
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engadger 3 days ago in reply to Guest
The lack of a professional note-taking app like OneNote makes the pen part unusable.
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eilegz 3 days ago in reply to Guest
completely agree, the thinkpad quality, robust and high end experience its not something that you can bash, i think that while android tablets its a hit or miss experience, and we all waiting ICS to see how it will evolve, current thinkpad tablet get the job done and its a good professional tablet for enterprise . the price its something that we all dont like but its not that apple ipad its a affordable and good price neither
JustinBeaner 4 days ago
I need the numbers back because I'm too lazy to read!!!!!
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Matt 4 days ago
btw I got a 32GB with pen
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Matt 4 days ago
Just have to throw in that I've had mine for a week now and love it...
Bought it from Abe's of Maine for $515 with free shipping and had it in my hands less than 48 hours later.
And man was it well worth waiting for. I've wanted a tablet for years but none seemed to be a good school/business, but still light, tablet. (I needed it to handle a stylus well and the iPad just didn't cut it.) This has it all! And on top of that, Lenovo's doing a great job putting out updates every few days for any minor issues reported via the Lenovo forum.
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apolloa 4 days ago
That's one serious business tablet! And it looks like it will give the Asus Transformer a run for it's money? But with all these new tablets being reviewed or announced, I am still only interested in one, the Kindle Fire. But then again I won't be using it for business use.
Still this one with Lenovo stamped on it SHOULD be very well built and reliable. Windows 8 would look interesting, but surely hike the price too?
God I want a UK release date for the Kindle Fire, it's my birthday in February!..
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Brian Chau 4 days ago
The most significant differenitating feature of this tablet to every other tablets out there (iPad included) is the active digitzer pen. It is really embarrassing for an executive to write/draw with his finger on a tablet while in a meeting taking notes. Using a sausage stylus is even more embarrassing.
Here we have a real pen with pressure sensitivity. Ideal for writing and drawing. It is a true tablet that can sit proudly in a boardroom. The only other 10-inch tablet that has a similar pen feature is HTC JetStream.
Now if it can run windows 8, that would be perfect.
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Zach Spiller 4 days ago
It'd be nice to see the Windows 8 version of this thing instead.
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J_A_X 3 days ago in reply to Zach Spiller
*droooooool* I might just get the tablet to jerry-rig windows 8 dev build onto it...
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Zach Spiller 3 days ago in reply to J_A_X
If that could be done relatively easily (assuming there are appropriate drivers, especially for that pen), I'd buy one of these things in a heartbeat. I envision using it for work, sitting down to do process development with my colleagues responsible for those processes and being able to diagram workflows in Visio and take notes while sitting right next to them examining the process. It's an internal-audit/operations-analysis DREAM.
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Cameron Stocks 4 days ago
I'm dissapointed there was no comparison with the Jetstream
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EddieDounn 4 days ago
Loving this dock with mouse thing. (big chroot user) Transfer and this! Kal-EL will make the purchase for me as long as they have an option like these.
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coldcaption 4 days ago
Guys. You say "set of lenses" when you are talking about DSLRs. I assumed you were talking about third party snap-ons until I read "two megapixel lens." Lenses do not have megapixels, and the word is not interchangeable with "sensor" or simply as a stand-in for cameras themselves.
Also, I'm pretty sure by now that Honeycomb itself is just slow and nonresponsive. My Droid X scores as good or better in Quadrant than most tablets I've heard of.
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jb82 4 days ago
Pointless to even compare to the transformer, A500 etc as the pen is everything. Basically there is nothing to compare this to except the HTC Jetstream or a win 7 tablet.
I also believe the pen works in pdf annotation, drawing apps etc and isn't just limited to the bundled note taking software (unlike the htc flyer)
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Alexander Porter 4 days ago in reply to jb82
Except, what if i dont want a pen?
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XConan 3 days ago in reply to Alexander Porter
If you want the pen, it's avaialable for 30 buckaroos, if you don't want it, you don't have to get it...
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Greg Huddleston 4 days ago
Wonder if there is a Pen SDK from the mfg. (As the HTC Flyer/Evo has?)
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Civinod 4 days ago
Quadruple A battery?
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barry99705 4 days ago in reply to Civinod
http://www.google.com/products...
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jnmprint 4 days ago in reply to Civinod
Break open a 9V battery. Many brands contain six of these AAAA batteries... Much cheaper...
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Matt 4 days ago in reply to jnmprint
Well those aren't actually AAAA batteries (a slightly different size) but they do tend to fit.
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zyrog123456 4 days ago in reply to Civinod
Used in some ultra-skinny Streamlights, yes. Not many stores have that type of batteries in stock.
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tephys 4 days ago
Looks good. Now put on Windows 8, lower the price and I'm sold.
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Alexander Porter 4 days ago in reply to tephys
Windows 8 would add 300$
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Arayta 4 days ago
Maybe the handwriting recognition sucks for the reviewer because her handwriting is pretty bad. I mean I could barely read it as a human, so I can't really blame a machine for struggling. Get someone with better handwriting to test it please.
Personally the only handwriting recognition software I have ever used was the one that came built into Windows Mobile 5.0 and that was back in what, 2005? And *that* worked flawlessly, even when I was rushing. I find it hard to imagine that the technology has regressed since then when the more likely explanation is that the reviewer's chicken scratch is just generally illegible.
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Matt 4 days ago in reply to Arayta
Yeah I'm not sure what happened with the reviewer. I actually write in cursive on my TPT and it recognizes it nearly flawlessly.
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UnknownCode 4 days ago in reply to Arayta
BAD handwriting? That was GREAT, wanna see mine?
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DekaThunder 4 days ago in reply to Arayta
the handwriting recognition built into Windows 7 is AMAZING. I use it on a HP TM2T and it's been able to recognize even the messiest of my scribbles. I'm thinking it sucks so bad in the ThinkPad because it's something that Lenovo had to build the themselves instead of depending on the OS to do it.
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zyrog123456 4 days ago in reply to Arayta
I suppose that handwriting software needs a bit more training from Wollman?
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Julian Engelhardt 4 days ago
I got mine this way (writing this on it) and I have to admit that I mostly agree to the parts of your review I read (was too long to read at 22:30). In my oppinion the Tablet is a bit heavy, but I can live with that.Except for that i don't see a problem in the hardware. More things I miss are in Honeycomb itself. A input function using the Stylus (for which I paid 40€, so I want to use it!) is one of them. Also I discovered several times a that the Browser was crashing after having a site loaded, I think it's when loading plugins. After using my HTC incredible S for a few months I was really disappointed of this almost not modified Android version. Some features like DLNA support which were Part of the good impression I had of Android are not featured by the Thinkpad Tablet. All in all it is a good device to fit between notebook and smartphone as what I bought it. It is a great combination of mobility and a big screen and I don't regret buing it, but there are some things I hope will be improved in future Versions.
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eNamir LeMac 4 days ago
dreadful design and idea. stylus were attempted in the 90s and early 00s and didn't work.
is that all you can do lenovo ? we're in 2011, not in 2003
http://news.cnet.com/2009-1041...
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NamelessFragger 3 days ago in reply to eNamir LeMac
Do you fingerpaint your math notes or artwork?
I didn't think so.
If a tablet computer can't replace pen and paper (we don't ever say "finger and paper" for a reason), then it's useless as far as I'm concerned.
Also, this isn't just some dumb plastic toothpick stylus. This is an active digitizer pen, more akin to a graphics tablet. Palm rejection, pressure sensitivity, and so forth.
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LloydChiro 3 days ago in reply to eNamir LeMac
My stylus based Tablet PC from 2005 worked.
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zyrog123456 4 days ago in reply to eNamir LeMac
If I want to steal your identities, then yeah, I'd recommend using your fingers to doodle on your tablet.
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Brian Chau 4 days ago in reply to eNamir LeMac
It is not a sausage stylus. It is an active digitzer pen. Pressure sensitive too. Great for drawing with program like SketchBook Pro, of course unless you are a 3-year old.
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Magnesus 4 days ago in reply to eNamir LeMac
Write with your finger then. I prefer retro design and stylus to huge ugly letter written on capacitive screen.
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Per Sundström 4 days ago
Well, if you write the "I" in "stop it" with two very wide horizontal lines (like an underlined T) instead of writing it with just a vertical line like it is normally written by hand, it's not surprising that the software thinks that it is a T.
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Voideka 4 days ago in reply to Per Sundström
Capital 'I's generally have the horizontals on them, otherwise they look like lowercase 'l's, which is what I'm betting the pad would see it as.
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LloydChiro 3 days ago in reply to Voideka
Interesting that when you read your response, the I doesn't have serifs. I actually no longer put them on with y handwriting anymore.
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Dante Adams 4 days ago
I would love to hear how it works loaded with Windows 8. Stylus support in Windows is a pretty good experience. And with full-size ports, it has an advantage over other Tablets for windows integration.
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cpc464freak 4 days ago
I like the stylus idea, esp. for drawing/notes, its a feature someone else should pick up and do better with.
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NamelessFragger 3 days ago in reply to cpc464freak
It's been done for years, but sadly, it's not as developed as it should have been. The Courier video indicated where we should be by this point...but writing implements aren't really fashionable these days, and so they get overlooked.
All the ThinkPad Tablet needs now is a note-taking application that can stand up to OneNote. Better yet, have OneNote notebook compatibility...
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LloydChiro 3 days ago in reply to cpc464freak
It's been done for years. Lenovo x220t
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engadger 3 days ago in reply to cpc464freak
Already done. The Samsung Galaxy Note will be better, I believe. (and hope)
And unlike Amazon's stuffs, that will be available soon. (in the UK of course, I would move to the US, not for Amazon, they are a joke with one-county only gadgets... 300 million ppl vs 6.5 billion ppl)
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steven deleon 4 days ago
I love you engadget, but you are dead wrong about this fantastic device. I've owned mine for about a week now.
Yes, it can be slightly laggy with transitions and effects, but I attribute that more to Honeycomb than the device itself. The pen is great and very responsive and really adds to the total package. Lenovo has released 2 OTA updates since launch and I expect more.
All in all, I love this thing.
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kyle formella 4 days ago
WTF my iPad didn't come with a 30-day trial of McAfee Security!!!
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zyrog123456 4 days ago in reply to kyle formella
Lenovo doesn't tell its salespeople to sidestep questions about malware on its products.
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mentalmidgets 4 days ago in reply to kyle formella
Apple does not care about security because Apple users do not care about it. How many times have you heard "Macs do not get viruses"?
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eNamir LeMac 4 days ago in reply to mentalmidgets
how many times have you heard of a mac virus since MacOS X came to life in 2001 ?
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barry99705 4 days ago in reply to eNamir LeMac
About a dozen or so.
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zyrog123456 4 days ago in reply to eNamir LeMac
You've never heard of them because Apple says they don't exist.
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Brian Chau 4 days ago in reply to eNamir LeMac
Are we confusing OSX with iOS? iPad cannot run OSX.
His Shadow 4 days ago in reply to kyle formella
That's because Apple don't care about your security. Haven't you realised that already. I believed the no-virus hype and ended up with a hosed iMac. Oh well, those times are long gone. Liking this though.
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BPMΩ 4 days ago
I purchased a ThinkPad Tablet, and personally, I love it. Sadly, I've yet to get the keyboard folio case (the place I ordered from has yet to get it in stock; but I do have the stylus).
I don't mind it's size. Then again, I don't care if my electronics are paper-thin or not. I found it easy to hold without discomfort (and the rubberized back is nice).
I haven't had any issues with the stylus, aside from the hand-writing recognition (but Notes Mobile isn't by Lenovo, so that could be a third-party issue). I've found that it had no issue with only reading the stylus (and not my hand) when I used it.
I'm not so sure about screen lag, either. I have it updated to the latest system update from Lenovo, so I don't know if that makes a difference. It seems pretty responsive to me.
Finally... I don't find the physical buttons stiff at all. They required no effort for me to push. So, I don't know if you have an oddly manufactured tablet (or if I do), or if you just have weaker hands than I (and I don't consider myself particularly strong), but I completely disagree with this complaint of yours.
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Pathogen Studios 4 days ago in reply to BPMΩ
I've noticed a lot of people try to push the buttons on the right side of them (holding tablet with pen at left bottom) instead of on the left side so they think they are hard to push. I like the "rock to the left" style of the buttons because it makes them hard to press on accident when holding the tablet landscape.
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Nam 4 days ago
I think the main problem with the android tablets so far has been the integration of the hardware specs with the Android OS. If all of the specs that we see are supposed to be top of the line so far, then why do we see laggy screens? multiple-taps to open apps? The problem continues to be the OS just isn't as refined enough for EACH hardware system like the iPad 1 and 2 are. Apple has the benefit of a vertically integrated product, so problems from hardware to soft can be resolved in-house. While Android is still an open source OS, the problem of so many platforms is that none are as perfectly operating it as fast or as smoothly than if Google just made their own phones and tablets. Frankly, I would look forward to that and see just how good Android can be.
Otherwise, all the hardware specs in the world won't do you a lick of good if the software techs at the tablet companies can't integrate the hardware inputs.
I would love to get this tablet with Windows 8, or even some tablet form of Linux. I adore the look and feel of it (had the chance to play with one at my university bookstore) but the OS is still not 100%.
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Liquidmark 4 days ago
Lenovo blew it...
Again
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NamelessFragger 3 days ago in reply to Liquidmark
Oh, wait, aren't you the guy who hates pen input and thinks virtual keyboards can replace everything? No wonder you're not interested.
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Liquidmark 3 days ago in reply to NamelessFragger
I don't hate pen input. I just think it gets waaaaay too many nerds claiming that products need them despite their being poorly implemented a great deal of the time and those same nerds almost NEVER buying what they claimed that they wanted. I also never stated that virtual keyboard can replace everything. But it is a hell of a lot better than trying to write everything out. I'm trying to get AWAY from that crap in my work. I'm tired of receiving forms and documents with handwritten instructions that are impossible to read. People need to learn how to type instead of scrawling out chickenscratch that's nearly impossible to read.
I am not interested in the above tablet because it seems to provide poor performance, have poor build quality and so on. I dislike it because it has the typical Lenovo flair for failure.
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NamelessFragger 2 days ago in reply to Liquidmark
Fair enough, then. I'm excited to some extent that Lenovo has even bothered to implement an active pen digitizer into an Android slate, but currently disappointed that there still isn't much in terms of Android software that can actually use it, though I'm sure the situation will improve over time.
Handwriting for extended periods will give me an achy hand, but I simply haven't found anything better for math notes. Every time you think you've learned every weird symbol or notation in a given course, they throw ANOTHER one at you, and it's something generally not accommodated for in most software built for keyboard use.
The big example I can think of at the moment is that sort of sum or product notation that involves a capital sigma or pi. Even MS Office 2010 doesn't seem to have that implemented in its equation editor, though it does thankfully cover a lot of the other stuff for those who don't have pen input. The root of the problem is that mathematics has its own finicky formatting with important bits of information all over the place, even up and down, and a lot of software isn't built with that in mind. It's made worse when there's so many ways to write down the same thing and textbooks and professors keep using different ones.
Fortunately, I can write legibly, so I don't have to worry about the "convert to plain, typeset text" step. My brain does a good enough job of that, and most other people don't complain about my handwriting. Maybe I'm just in the minority here in terms of good handwriting, for all I know.
However...the neat thing about the Tablet PCs I've used up to this point is partly to do with the fact that they're all convertibles. Laptops with swivel screens. I have a keyboard to touch-type on, and as a matter of fact, that's what I use the vast majority of the time due to the speed at which I can type out most things...but as soon as math class comes around, I'm thankful not only that I have active pen input, but software like OneNote to make the most out of it. No need to futz around with formatting or inputting symbols via specific means-I just write it like I see it.
You might wonder what this has to do with the ThinkPad Tablet. I think the hardware's in place for a small, light, long-lasting ARM slate that could be used for note-taking, but the software needs work...as usual. At least software is much, much easier to upgrade than throwing in a Wacom or N-trig digitizer into a slate that doesn't have one.
Or maybe you've found a way to take comprehensive math notes with a piece of software that handles every bit of notation under the sun and has an interface that doesn't hinder more than it helps. I certainly haven't found such a tool yet.
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Matt 4 days ago in reply to Liquidmark
But for the "again," you need to blow it. The TPT is hands down the best tablet on the market right now and I haven't met a single user (including those who use both iPad and TPT like myself) that would disagree. I'm really not sure what happened with the Engadget reviewer because I haven't had any of those problems and I've been putting it through its paces. Don't get me wrong, the iPad is a fantastic and market-changing device, but the TPT has redefined what a slate tablet should be.
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Liquidmark 4 days ago in reply to Matt
Are you talking about the same thinkpad tablet featured in this article? I mean, it looks pretty pathetic, even by android standards...
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His Shadow 4 days ago in reply to Liquidmark
Not sure to what you're referring. Everyone that I know loves their Lenovo's. The X220i beat everything in it's class in every test bar one and that included Mac's
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Liquidmark 4 days ago in reply to His Shadow
Here, have a gander at this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
One month later, Apple announced the iPad. Which is SOOOOO funny because this shill was talking so much crap about how that incredibly sad lenovo tablet is a poke-you-in-the-eye to Apple.
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Liquidmark 4 days ago in reply to His Shadow
I'm referring to the tablets that lenovo announced at CES 2010 that bombed super-hard.
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pennacado 4 days ago
Hells yeah for physical buttons.
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GavinReynolds 4 days ago
My Xoom may be crap, but I'd love to see someone come up with a tablet that strictly has photography in mind.
1) Accepts stylus imput (and I mean a variable tip-size stylus, not those clunky capacitive ones)
2) Integrated RAW format support.
3) Calibrated IPS Screen
4) A simplistic but still potent image editor.
If any of the tablets ever get all 4 of those, I'll drop my Xoom like a bad habit.
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Allegrotechie 4 days ago
I used to hate the number reviews. Now I miss them. Bring them back!
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zyrog123456 4 days ago in reply to Allegrotechie
Number ratings are too ambiguous.
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Joshua Williams 4 days ago in reply to Allegrotechie
Why? So the Apple reviews can get the highest rating? No thanks! I prefer this better so I can generate a number for myself.
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prettylolita 4 days ago
What notebook app are they using?
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Pathogen Studios 4 days ago in reply to prettylolita
"Notes Mobile" by Vision Objects. Doesn't seem to be available for other devices. It works OK but its nothing to get excited about. I've used MobileNoter a bit on mine, but I don't really want to spend the money on MobileNoter SE with all the bad reviews it has...
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Andrey Taskaev 4 days ago
Interestingly enough, a Lenovo rep stopped by our office. I wasn't here that day, but my coworkers reported that the handwriting recognition was really, really good.
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Ed Hecht 4 days ago
A Netflix trial? When I first looked at this, I thought it was a Netflix app for Android. Offering a Netflix subscription on an Android tablet is a bit of a tease (maybe even misleading), no?
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Samer Khatib 4 days ago in reply to Ed Hecht
There is a Netflix app for Android and if I am not mistaken, Lenovo has preinstalled it. If they have not preinstalled it I'm almost certain it will show up in the Market, especially since the other Lenovo tab has Netflix and a host of other tabs like the Galaxy Tab work fine with the app.
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yahoo-YWCESOC7TECJUCKFICA6JLEAVQ 4 days ago in reply to Samer Khatib
Actually the ThinkPad Tablet has Netflix built-in hardware DRM. The Ideapad K1 and ThinkPad Tablet are the only tablets to have this. They run Netflix out of the box. How this is not mentioned is beyond me.
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quizibo 4 days ago
I think the first biggest turn off of this is the price.
Thinkpad tablet (16gb)-499.99
Tablet Pen-30.00
Folio Keyboard-100.00
Thats 629.99 for the whole thing. For that kind of money you can get 4-5 Thinkpad X61t off ebay, which has basically the same specs but can run any OS you want.
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zyrog123456 4 days ago in reply to quizibo
Corporate pricing. Or to put it this way, they're not pricing these ThinkPad Tablets for consumers. Corporate IT departments see these, with Lenovo's superior corporate IT service and support, and buy hundreds and thousands.
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Not_Average 4 days ago in reply to quizibo
The price is definitely a negative thing. especially with the grid10 dropping for 299.
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zyrog123456 4 days ago in reply to Not_Average
ThinkPad = corporate market. IdeaPad = consumer market. Nothing special about their respective pricing structures.
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ashughes 4 days ago in reply to quizibo
You can get the 16gb model on Amazon for $429.99 (without pen) or 32gb for $529.99 (with pen).
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quizibo 4 days ago in reply to ashughes
I went to Amazon to look for it and when I searched 'Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet' the first one that came up was the 32 gb Thinkpad for $529.99. I looked in the description; "Tablets, Lenovo, 183825U, 183825U", the product details does not mention that it comes with a stylus, even the reviews dont even hint to the idea that it came with a stylus. But even if it DID come with a stylus, 529.99 is still expensive for a tablet just to be able to doodle with pen input on a tablet when like I mentioned in my original comment you can buy one of the X series on ebay for a 1/3 of the price.
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Orlando Santos 4 days ago in reply to quizibo
It does come with the stylus. Go to lenovo support site and search for model 183825U and they are packed by lenovo with the stylus included. I also received one from Amazon which included it...
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ashughes 4 days ago in reply to quizibo
You may be right about the $529.99 not coming with a pen. I bought mine from Amazon 2 weeks ago for $554 (from Mobile Advance) and it included the pen.
I also own an x61 tablet, which I love. However the x61 does not have a touchscreen (active pen only), and both Windows 7 and Ubuntu aren't really designed for a touch and pen interface. Both certainly support the pen, and OneNote is a great piece of software, which I have used extensively to take notes. But compared to the x61 tablet, the ThinkPad Tablet is much much lighter and easier to use (and gets a lot better battery life). And compared to a modern X series tablet model, this is still significantly cheaper (granted, I think all these tablets should be cheaper than they are).
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quizibo 4 days ago in reply to ashughes
I agree with you, the idea behind this tablet is great but the price would really hurt a lot of peoples decision on getting one, especially when there are so many other options flooding the market with a less expensive price tag. It really seems like a niche product. Another thought would be, with the Tegra 3 supposedly around the corner, why should someone drop that much money for something that would become out-dated and have a cheaper price tag?
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mentalmidgets 4 days ago in reply to quizibo
Yup, I already have a Xoom... sure there is no stylus but I am waiting until a good round of Win8 devices get released... Only then can I see these things going from consumption devices into real productivity devices.
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1q2w3e4r5t6y 4 days ago
Put Windows 8 on something like this. Let me run quick books, credit card processing, let me do whatever i wan with the pen ( word, excel, pdf, notes ect.) and also let my customers sign their PDF receipts on it and I'll get one right away.
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JM_66 4 days ago in reply to 1q2w3e4r5t6y
You can download the EZ PDF app and do all the annotations you like on your pdf files.
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1q2w3e4r5t6y 4 days ago in reply to JM_66
Hummmm really??? Now this is getting interesting ... thank you very much
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ashughes 4 days ago
Just watched the pen demo video. Who writes that big? I get a much better experience if I just write normally (actually within the ruled paper). I don't know how VisionObjects' handwriting recognition works exactly, but it appears to not work as well when you write huge (based on the video), but works just fine if you write normally.
Also, the lag seen in converting the handwriting to text has nothing to do with the active pen, it's purely a metric of how long the handwriting recognition software in the Notes Mobile app takes. To me it doesn't seem to be very long... But any other handwriting recognition software could be ported to this device and take advantage of the pen as well.
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Pathogen Studios 4 days ago in reply to ashughes
NotesMobile is definitely a little sluggish. And I can confirm it doesn't like it if your words are taller than the lines on the screen.
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TheOriginalNoseBleed 4 days ago
Got all excited then realised it was yet another android tab, without reading the article let me guess..tegra 2?
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dnyank1 4 days ago
the only reason you'd buy an android tablet would be for the ports. this has none.
Fail.
/troll
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zyrog123456 4 days ago in reply to dnyank1
"Taking a tour around the device, you'll also find a plethora of ports sitting just below that row of physical buttons."
Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful.
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Bob Allen 4 days ago
You guys really need to re-run your Thrive battery results because I get much longer times. Is it possible you mistakenly left the audio and video enhancements (Resolution+) on during your battery tests. I have to imagine that their upsampling tech would have to eat some CPU for certain videos and consequently decrease battery life.
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Kevin O'Neill 4 days ago
MEGAFAIL.
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zyrog123456 4 days ago in reply to Kevin O'Neill
MEGAFAIL is what you'd use to call that broken Transocean Deepwater Horizon rig - it's still leaking oil AFTER it was plugged months ago.
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Kruemmelmonster 4 days ago
I'd buy it...
... with Windows 8 =/
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plunder 4 days ago
Not impressed yet. Android needs at least one product that can equal or beat iPad2. The various Samsung tabs look nice but no ports or expansion. Perhaps the Archos80 and 101 G9 tabs will be OK. The Transformer and Slider also look good, but I think we have to wait a bit longer for something worth buying.
The problem with iPad? iTunes and Apple's greed. No. Still waiting.
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Nam 4 days ago in reply to plunder
I mentioned it in my own comment, but I think the problem will be not so much the hardware (i.e. Samsung has no Ports like the iPad, Thrive has a gajillion more ports than the iPad) but that the Android OS is still catching up in terms of smoothnees for all the different tablets.
Give me a tablet (no matter how pitiful the lack of ports, ghz, cameras, cores, etc.) that has a crisp, dead-simple, fluid OS that runs without fault. Android needs to step up their game because all of these tablets LOOK great and cater to MULTIPLE markets, but the Android system is still behind the iOS in pure terms of smooth.
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Brent Foster 4 days ago in reply to plunder
Ipad has no ports either and Samsung dominates every spec. However I own an ipad and to combat the greed just visit jailbreakme.com and the world will open up!
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Liquidmark 4 days ago in reply to Brent Foster
"Samsung dominates every spec."
What spec does it dominate? The ones that are almost exactly the same as the iPad only with a sighly larger screen?
Generalmishmash 4 days ago in reply to Liquidmark
Correction: "slightly larger diagonal measurement". It actually has less useable screen area.
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Liquidmark 4 days ago in reply to Generalmishmash
True, I was just giving Sammy the benefit of the doubt.
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Doctor Zenith 4 days ago
What's the point of pen input with THAT much lag?!
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AJ Lazaro 4 days ago
windows 8 on this would probably be awesome
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Doctor Zenith 4 days ago in reply to AJ Lazaro
...probably.
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Narayanan Apparasan 4 days ago
Oh.. Lenovo also got tablet..? news to me.... Still how many copycats left..?
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His Shadow 4 days ago in reply to Narayanan Apparasan
Only one, they're called Apple. Didn't you know that Lenovo had a Tablet P.C. before Apple. Oh well, that's the problem with the internets, too many know nothings with too much to say.
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quizibo 4 days ago in reply to Narayanan Apparasan
Lenovo has been making tablet pc's for years....
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Samer Khatib 4 days ago in reply to quizibo
I agree, Lenovo has made some of the best tablets in the past. This one looks really interesting, I just have a difficult time justifying it over my existing Galaxy Tab 10.1 until something other than Tegra 2 comes on it (Kal-El/ Tegra 3).
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synergetiq 4 days ago in reply to Narayanan Apparasan
Copycats? How old are you? 12?
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bloggerblog 4 days ago in reply to synergetiq
no that would be you.
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His Shadow 4 days ago in reply to bloggerblog
Pretty sure it's you actually.
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ashughes 4 days ago
First of all, the pen IS pressure sensitive. Both the touchscreen and the pen are highly more accurate that the touchscreens in other tablets (including the iPad). The device can detect the difference between the pen and finger, however there needs to be software that takes advantage of this feature. Also, the pen has a side button, but again, this needs to be taken advantage of in software. I did notice some lag in response to initial touch sometimes, but I'm not sure if this is a hardware or software issue (hoping software).
Second of all, the Notes Mobile app is NOT by Lenovo. It's by a company called Vision Objects who make handwriting recognition software. I haven't had many issues with it recognizing my writing, but I haven't tested it extensively. Most things I have written, however, it has gotten correct just fine.
In my opinion, this is currently the best tablet on the market. The N-trig active pen is what tablets have been missing, and this is a solid tablet even without the pen. I am developing software to take advantage of the active pen, and the precision is just remarkable compared to everything else on the market. As more apps are created that take advantage of the pen, these tablets will be remarkably more productive devices.
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TechBig 4 days ago in reply to ashughes
Are you a marketing manager at Lenovo? Just asking.
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ashughes 4 days ago in reply to TechBig
lol. No, I'm an Android developer who's really enthusiastic about active pen input. You can see my thesis work here: https://github.com/ashughes/Ac...
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TechBig 4 days ago in reply to ashughes
I just hope that big companies like Apple, Google, Samsung...etc will realize how important pen input is. As a college student, pen input is a HUGE selling point for me.
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ashughes 4 days ago in reply to TechBig
Exactly. That's why I bought an x61 Tablet in college and why I've wanted something like the ThinkPad Tablet since I started college. Unfortunately the software isn't quite there for taking advantage of the pen, but I'm working on that :)
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NamelessFragger 3 days ago in reply to ashughes
You're working on penabled software for Android? I'm looking forward to the results.
Especially if you can whip up a OneNote-compatible note-taking application of some sort. There are times where I don't necessarily want the full weight and bulk of my HP 2730p just for note-taking, or may even want two screens to cross-reference, and the ThinkPad Tablet is promising for that.
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psymo 2 days ago in reply to NamelessFragger
The ThinkPad Tablet has replaced my Latitude XT2 and so far I'm very happy with it.
Sure, there are compromises with the note-taking apps, as there's no full-featured application like OneNote yet.
However, twice the battery life and less than half the weight are worth it for me.
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Brent Foster 4 days ago
I need the number rating system back no matter how you people at engadget feel about it. Right or wrong I need it to feel like the review is complete and if you do not have enough confidence in your reviews to post them I will just have to move on to another tech site or go back to cnet.
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Alexander 4 days ago in reply to Brent Foster
OH GOD.
WHAT WILL I DO NOW I HAVE TO ACTUALLY READ THE REVIEW?
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BMichaels 4 days ago in reply to Brent Foster
Brent, are you so stupid that you can't gather what a person feels about a product without the use of some rudimentary 1-10 scale?
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dgarra 4 days ago in reply to Brent Foster
I agree, having no score makes the whole thing feel off.
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Russell Byrne 4 days ago
I'm reaching the point where all my tablet eggs are in the one basket.
I just hope the Samsung GTab 7.7 doesn't turn out to be rubbish.
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bloggerblog 4 days ago in reply to Russell Byrne
it will
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His Shadow 4 days ago in reply to bloggerblog
How old are you 12?
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headwest 4 days ago in reply to Guest
You're never going to put your faith in another Lenovo product?! sucks for you, you'll be missing out on the U300s ultrabook.
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Steven Hoffing 4 days ago
AAAA battery?
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b33g33 4 days ago
Lenovo build quality is shite.
I paid $2k for a tablet PC (x61) a few years back and I've already had to replace the keyboard and HDD. Now there is messy, gooey stuff seeping in between the touch screen and the bezel. So, it looks like the screen replacement is due soon. I may just opt for a standard non-touch enabled screen this time around.
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His Shadow 4 days ago in reply to b33g33
That's not mine, nor many many others experience. That's not my workplaces experience either. The longest lived laptops we've got are Thinkpads. Built to last, unlike certain other manufacturers.
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b33g33 3 days ago in reply to His Shadow
I'm happy for you. I guess you meet these 'many other owners' you speak for in the secret Lenovo fanclub every Sunday?
As someone who's owned a number of Thinkpads (both IBM and Lenovo flavored), the IBM ones are of much superior quality. There was a distinct drop of manufacturing quality as we moved from the T30 (one of the last IBM thinkpads) to the T42 --> T50 at work.My T30 that is pushing 7 years still runs well and has no problems running Ubuntu.
The X61 is a serious disappointment to me. Obviously your mileage differs.
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His Shadow 1 day ago in reply to b33g33
No, I just did tonnes of research on line. Looked at the customer satisfaction of the people commenting and came to the conclusion that there's a hell of a lot of satisfied people out there. Still your experience is your experience and I'm not going to disagree with that, but it doesn't appear to be the experience of so many people
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Steve Doe 4 days ago in reply to b33g33
Well, all laptops have problems - my IBMs and Lenovos over the years have all crapped out in one way or another - port failures, HDD failures, motherboard failures, less responsive red nubby thingamajig, creaking cases, etc. As for my MacBooks and MacBook Pros, the list includes failed batteries (6 months), cracked cases, 2nd degree burn on a leg (turns out the aluminum heat sink resting on leg watching a movie wearing shorts thing is NOT a good idea, and after 6 months I still have a scar), dimming screen (especially the corners), random reboots, hanging OS, single source supplier (can anyone else name a laptop supplier that ran out of proprietary power cords for 3 months...worldwide? Anyone?), etc.
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Stereotypical_American 4 days ago
This review used the word "experience" 11 f'ing times.
How do I go about stopping the world from using this word when describing tech?
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Liquidmark 4 days ago in reply to Stereotypical_American
Yeah! Because we all know that technology isn't used by human beings right?
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Russell Byrne 4 days ago in reply to Stereotypical_American
It is more relevant than someone describing an inanimate object as "sexy" (though I admit that is not saying much).
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Mandar Lele 4 days ago
I have used the Mobile notes application on Thinkpad tablet and its not as bad as it is mentioned to be. I find it acceptable where performce is closer to Windows 7 Touch interface (I also own Thinkpad X220 Tablet). What this review does not mention are the settings available for MobileNotes application like Palm ignore settings (even for left handed folks like me) and other features like Exporting feature of the MobileNotes app to various different clients including EverNote.
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jmsutton3 4 days ago
I have been using mine for a few days now and never had any problems with the ocr but I don't write in cursive.
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jnmprint 4 days ago
I've been using the ThinkPad Tablet for about two weeks. It is bulkier than others but feels more solid. Even though it's bigger it doesn't feel heaver. The edge buttons have worked well for me since I figured you push the inside rather than the outside edge of the button. I use the pen mostly as an accurate mouse pointer in the Citrix Receiver app. It really helps with Windows apps like Outlook, etc. There is some lag in response at times but in typical use I don't notice much difference compared to the Xoom I have been using. The folio case hasn't yet arrived but was one of the main reasons for my purchase. This is definitely a more business centric tablet. If you want size and style, go with the Samsung.
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Renato Fontes Tapia 4 days ago
What happened to your rating system?
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wallyrulz 4 days ago
How well does the palm rejection work?
Can you mark up pdf's?
Can you use the pen in Evernote, or anywhere else besides the note-taking app?
It seems like these questions should have been answered because the pen IS what sets this tablet apart from all the others except the flyer (which ridiculously does not store the pen).
I can see dealing with sluggish performance if the pen experience is good.
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JM_66 4 days ago in reply to wallyrulz
Evernote has to update the app to take advantage of the pen; from everything I've been reading, it doesn't currently. EZ PDF app works great for marking up/annotating pdf files.
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Jim Baur 4 days ago
I've had mine for several weeks now and have been rather happy with it. I bought it primarily for the active stylus and it hasn't disappointed. The OCR works fine for me, though I don't really like using that feature when I take notes. The initial wake-up sluggishness it there, but eh, so what. My negative comments: the swipe style on-screen keyboard they send with it kinda sucks. And for all of the hype about the keyboard folio, you're going to have an easier time finding Jimmy Hoffa's grave than a place to buy one. You can't even order it right now through Lenovo, and the one I did order from them awhile has an estimated ship date of 1/20/11. That's a MASSIVE failure by them. Still, I like the device itself and would recommend it.
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nuksies 4 days ago
This isn't the droid (tablet) we're looking for.
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Xavior Wang 4 days ago
Didn't those android mfrs learn nothing from HP touchpad? Low price is the only way to sell!
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BPMΩ 4 days ago in reply to Xavior Wang
1. HP was trying to GET RID OF THEM because they WERE NOT SELLING.
2. At $100, they're taking a LOSS on it.
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JM_66 4 days ago in reply to Xavior Wang
This isn't designed for media consumption, it's meant for productivity. Having an active digitzer, plus the extra ports, adds to the cost. If you want to take out all of those extras, then you can have your cheaper tablet...oh wait, you can go buy a Kindle Fire. That should work fine for you.
Seriously, why does everyone expect all of the top technology that can be installed, for the wholesale cost of manufacturing it? Unfortunately, that's just not reality.
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DoNotSwallow 4 days ago in reply to Xavior Wang
Which is why these android tablets are doomed. Where are they going to make their profits? They don't have app store commissions.
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lonephoenix 4 days ago in reply to Xavior Wang
lower price like HP TouchPad = bankruptcy....
Steven Frable 4 days ago
This is not Thinkpad quality. My TF just received an update that included a notetaking app that runs circles around the Thinkpad. As a Thinkpad fan, I am dissapoint.
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ys_lee 4 days ago
I really don't understand the weight complaints. It's 750g, 150g more than the iPad 2.
As for the size, I tried it, it's certainly within usable size.
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Russell Byrne 4 days ago in reply to ys_lee
It looks like a brick!!
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Dandy_Willikers 4 days ago
Overall it seems like a pretty decent piece of hardware. I think it will do reasonably well.
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Jay 4 days ago
Why can't someone make a writing program that's adaptive to your style of writing? Maybe write out a page or two from you favorite book (this would be good practice, too), then type it out so that the computer knows what your J's and P's (etc.) look like? Maybe feed it scanned pages of your handwriting, then your translation - teach your computer all the ways you make a lowercase 'a'.
Then it can increase the accuracy. I just refuse to believe that a computer can never understand handwriting. There has to be a better way.
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harsh mehta 4 days ago in reply to Jay
it may be possible . .the only problem is practicality . . . i guess software like that will cost in gazillion $$$
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Synergi 4 days ago in reply to Jay
Seriously, what are you talking about? You could do this (train it to read your handwriting) in windows years ago. Windows 7 is so good it can ready most peoples chicken scratch..
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Jay 4 days ago in reply to Synergi
It's obvious what I'm talking about. Accuracy.
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dmcman73 4 days ago in reply to Jay
Even better, why not give the user the option to either convert their writing using the OCR or to leave it as they wrote it in their own penmanship. After all, there are no OCR's built into a regular pad of paper.
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Ian Andriot 4 days ago in reply to Jay
"Why can't someone make a writing program that's adaptive to your style of writing?"
I haven't seen a writing program that isn't adaptive to your style of writing.
-Written with the stylus on a tm2
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Jay 4 days ago in reply to Ian Andriot
Then why do people still have problems with it? And how can it be improved?
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Synergi 4 days ago in reply to Jay
Windows 7 is pretty darn accurate.. at least when it comes to writing words and transcribing them to text. It could still use work on understanding when you mean a period, or a comma but those are minor.
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blacknwhite221 4 days ago in reply to Jay
Microsoft. It's been done
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Allegrotechie 4 days ago
When are they gonna make these without being so damn slow
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Greasy_Taco_Aficionado 4 days ago
Crazy Lenovo. I love those guys.
Looking forward to a murdered out Thinkpad ultrabook.
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John Erhardt 4 days ago
This isn't a consumer class tablet - more corporate or enterprise - if you want consumer class, that's what the IdeaPad is for. The Kindle fire won't do everything or have everything this unit has.
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lonephoenix 4 days ago
This new Engadget design is poor. I don´t see hw many points gets this tablet. 8/10? 7/10?
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Kyle Bridgford 4 days ago in reply to lonephoenix
I think it got changed because people were complaining about how many more points one device got vs another. This way they just list the pros and cons and let you be the judge.
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lonephoenix 4 days ago in reply to Kyle Bridgford
this way is poor, in pros and cons have only three points. In SGT 10.1 cons is : No microSD slot , but in iPad 2 review cons it isn´t....
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descendency 4 days ago in reply to Kyle Bridgford
Now... if Engadget had consistent pros and cons... it'd almost be a fairly decent site.
Though the 3 pros and 3 cons approach will always leave something to be desired.
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Eli Starkman 4 days ago
Eh.. I'll pass. This product only has a chance when it comes to consumers needing a pen/stylus applications to their tablets. Everything else about it is run of the mill. Ima wait until the Kindle Fire comes out, buy that, and save myself 300 dollars.
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Shane Essary 4 days ago
I actually kinda dig the soft, fuzzy images/video the camera produces.
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Ken Dunning 4 days ago
We have a few of these in the office. They aren't as bulky as some people might think. They feel well built. I do agree on it seemly to run a bit sluggish. I do like the many different input/output options. Especially the full size ones. Makes it very easy for office integration. But until Android gets a built in Cisco VPN client, what's the point. As for the poster below me, you must work for Lenovo, we all know they aren't design experts. They make hardware that works and is rugged. Not so much pleasing to the eye. This is literally a box. That being said, that's why I love Lenovo products in the office as a tech, they just work and take a beating at the same time.
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Guest 4 days ago
This would have been a 5/10 with old Engadget reviews. And it would have been too much.
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John Erhardt 4 days ago in reply to Guest
Fail? Have you even tried one? I had the opportunity to use this last week and this. In comparison to other tablets out there, Lenovo has listened; unlike Apple.
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DookieX 4 days ago in reply to John Erhardt
Yet this thing is not going to make a dent even in the 30% non-iPad market.
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JohnL 4 days ago
another over priced tablet... cool
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SasoriSoren 4 days ago
Looks great for a business style tablet.
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Kenji Castro 4 days ago
Got mine yesterday. Super accurate. Might start using them in the workplace! Finally a paperless solution
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LloydChiro 3 days ago in reply to Kenji Castro
If you can connect it to a Scan Snap scanner, then it would be.
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Justin Hein 4 days ago
If you make it dual-booting with Windows 8, you'll make it to me.
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DBX00 4 days ago
I want that device and dock with Windows 8 on it...
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Dustin Fike 4 days ago
Why is there no mention of the HTC Jetstream for comparison? For me the Pen is the greatest selling point. I am an architect and have to sketch all the time. As far as I know, the Thinkpad and the Jetstream are the only two that have a pen, though the Jetstream is pressure sensitive. I would like to know which of those two tablets are better.
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Advancedcaveman 4 days ago in reply to Dustin Fike
Holy crap, I didn't know the jetstream had a pen.
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ryanmcgreevy 4 days ago
From other reviews I have read, the pen IS pressure sensitive..and there are other note taking apps (that have pen input) for android other than lenovo's....
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kovesp 4 days ago in reply to ryanmcgreevy
Could you point us at the other apps? I've been searching but was not able to find any ...
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Garrett Martin 4 days ago in reply to kovesp
Evernote Skitch, AutoDesk SketchBookX, Antipaper Notes, FlexT9 keyboard to name a few
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kovesp 4 days ago in reply to Garrett Martin
Much obliged, I'll investigate these.
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ryanmcgreevy 4 days ago in reply to kovesp
I haven't used any personally, just seen them mentioned here and there in other thinkpad tablet reviews, as well as other articles I've read when searching on this topic. Here is one such app which supposedly works over top any other app in lieu of keyboard input: http://www.androidauthority.co...
Like I said, never used it, just one of the few that have popped up while looking for android pen input (I often jot down equations or diagrams at work on scrap paper then take a picture with my android phone if I want to save it and would love a viable tablet alternative)
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kovesp 4 days ago in reply to ryanmcgreevy
I'll take a look, but I have to say I've had some ehem... mixed experience with Paragon on Windows Mobile. Some of their stuff is excellent, others border on the scam. Some of their Desktop/Laptop Windows/Linux Software though is excellent.
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DanaWollman MOD 4 days ago in reply to ryanmcgreevy
My mistake. I've updated it.
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ryanmcgreevy 4 days ago in reply to DanaWollman
that was quick, thanks!
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Christopher Molina 4 days ago
kindle Fire FTW
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BLACKALiCE 4 days ago
That thing is beautiful! We need more ThinkPad inspired designs in this world!
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frodough 4 days ago
IBM Lenovo: the BB in the PC industry, somewhat dependable but riddled with uninspired design. Compared to the Asus Transformer, the Thinkpad Tablet is more expensive, its docking accessory clunkier, and it's a late bloomer in the tablet market.
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misockets 4 days ago
Wow, what a total piece of crap. It's like Lenovo was hell-bent on crating an Android tablet that's almost as useless as a Windows-based tablet from the past 10+ years.
And did you check out that craptastic pen input? Sloooooow. Much slower than any Newton ever was. and at least the Newton (all versions beyond the first) rocked at handwriting recognition.
Seriously Lenovo, give it up.
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SemisolidSnake 4 days ago in reply to misockets
These new tablets with pen input are painfully bad when it comes to writing input. This one lagged so much, I'd rather write on my iPad, and, considering how much it sucks for writing, that's saying something. When I write on my Touch Pro 2, however (OMGresistivescreensaresoevil!), it's almost like writing on paper. No lag. Great precision. You'd think someone out there might try to take advantage of a well-proven and cheap technology and create some sort of hybrid-screen device that had the best of both worlds. These pen solutions just add an expensive solution onto already-expensive technology and produce worse results than tech in use ten years ago. I still am producing hundreds of pages of easily-misplaced notes on paper for work, I'm freakin' pissed about it.
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NamelessFragger 2 days ago in reply to SemisolidSnake
I'm pretty sure it's a software issue in this case, not a hardware issue.
I've tried the N-trig DuoSense digitizer before on an HP tx2z. Radially different software platform, but inking was responsive and just fine in Windows Journal. It's probably the closest competition I've seen to Wacom yet.
And on a screen that large, I wouldn't want to use a resistive digitizer. No palm rejection. (It works on smaller, PDA/smartphone-size screens, though.)
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Shane Essary 4 days ago in reply to misockets
I dunno. My Newton couldn't read my hand-writing for shit.
David Pat 4 days ago
Kindle fire and touchpad killed the market. I be surprised if this sells
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DookieX 4 days ago in reply to David Pat
Touchpad didn't kill anything. That thing sold strictly due to it being a fire sale and everybody knew it. It's like going to the supermarket and seeing 2 litre Cola on sale for twenty five cents a bottle. Kindle Fire however, that's going to basically kill the Android tablet market (and now, the Kindle Fire though running Android, really isn't a Android tablet in the traditional sense of it, they've pretty much circumvented having to play nice with Google).
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junkyardwillie 4 days ago
It was a good move not to give it an actual rating, this product is clearly $300 too expensive. Please return to sender
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HTCSense 4 days ago
Stick with laptops...
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Simon Broenner 4 days ago
Wow, you really need to practice handwriting a little.
Hint: Handwriting recognition apps are likely to expect a certain size of text... the lines on the page are usually a decent indicator of how big you're expected to write ;)
That said, the handwriting function doesn't seem very good - even my Thinkpad X41 Tablet from 2005 (!!!) has a less laggy pen and (although it's difficult to judge with that "chicken scratch", as you put it) much better handwriting recognition.
Looks like I'll be waiting for Windows 8 ARM tablets and an ARM native build of OneNote... :(
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Benjamin Mark Foo 4 days ago
no pressure sensitive? didnt i see a review about sketchbook pro app with pressure sensitive?
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DanaWollman MOD 4 days ago in reply to Benjamin Mark Foo
Goof on my part. Updated.
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Danny 4 days ago
I always love IBM/Lenovo's design. It doesn't look all flashy and full of bling-bling like the competitors, these things actually look like they can get stuff done.
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oeuvre 3 days ago in reply to Danny
I love my T42 ThinkPad, it's awesome and durable.
-Sent from my Thinkpad
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alexanderrk 4 days ago in reply to Danny
lenovo's just winning
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.eng...
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InexperiencedExpert 4 days ago in reply to alexanderrk
That is the sexy
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Mmmm 4 days ago in reply to Danny
Yep, love my pitch black non scratch Thinkpad.
- Sent from my Thinkpad
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Tony White 4 days ago
removed most the bloatware
installed writepad stylus (bundled note taking app is a joke)
awesome tablet
and your wrong, the pen has 256 levels of pressure sensitivty when referenced properly, as in the autodesk sketchbook app, which translates to an impressive experience
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J_A_X 3 days ago in reply to Tony White
Tony, do you actually own the tablet? This is the only tablet I've even considered buying because of the pen input. Can you tell me what's your experience with it minus bloatware and other sketch apps? Is the tablet rootable? etc..
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psymo 2 days ago in reply to J_A_X
I've been using it for a few weeks and it's awesome.
Most of the bloatware can be removed by a simple drag&drop from the app drawer, so complaining about the bloatware is pretty stupid.
For sketching, Sketchpad Pro is a great app and there are several notebook apps available - but you will have to try them, as none of them is full-featured (some can't draw shapes, some can't export notebooks to PDF etc.).
If you expect a full-featured application like Microsoft OneNote, you're out of luck for now, but taking notes with Writepad and drawing with Sketchbook Pro works great.
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andrer 3 days ago in reply to J_A_X
You can also check the forum at pctabletreview . com.
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DanaWollman MOD 4 days ago in reply to Tony White
Yeah, I made a mistake. I updated the review.
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obarthelemy 4 days ago
That's very disappointing. I was interested for pen and OCR, and it looks like I'll have to give it a pass, with no other alternatives on hand...
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junkmailng 4 days ago
I'd like to try this myself and see how accurate pen input is. The problem with input methods other than the keyboard is that it's prone to so many variations. Pen uses lower and upper case as well as cursive. Voice is also difficult due to pronunciation, pauses and varying languages. I'd hope for the best for this device, but I still think it's going to disappoint overall from what I can tell from the video.
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Heikki Arponen 4 days ago
"Alas, there's not much you can do with the pen beyond Lenovo's own note-taking app..." Oh come on!! When will we see a review that tries the numerous other note taking apps you can find on Android Market that beat the Lenovo app hands down?!?
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yapkuen 4 days ago in reply to Heikki Arponen
Do the other note taking apps distinguish between capacitive finger input and the DuoSense pen input?
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Spiny Norman 4 days ago
"write legibly"? Oh, the horror!
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E2design 4 days ago
wow! Look at that lag!
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Chris Clark 4 days ago
Not a pressure sensitive pen? Well there goes all my interest. Give me a tablet with a pressure sensitive pen and an sketching app.
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zoom44 4 days ago in reply to Chris Clark
duo sense is pressure sensitive
" Powered by Ntrig's duo sense technology, the pressure-sensitive, single-button stylus" from laptop mag reviewalso check http://www.n-trig.com/Data/Upl...
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DanaWollman MOD 4 days ago in reply to Chris Clark
Scratch that. I made a mistake. Updated the review.
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Benjamin Mark Foo 4 days ago in reply to Chris Clark
no pressure sensitive? didnt i see a review about sketchbook pro app
with pressure sensitive?
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Advancedcaveman 4 days ago in reply to Chris Clark
I thought it was. There are people using it with sketchbook pro. They of course failed to test that in this review.
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Nelm 4 days ago
Another slow honeycomb tablet...sigh
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Scott Straughan 4 days ago in reply to Nelm
Yeah. My tab 10.1 WIFI is the laggiest peice of shit ive ever used. Feel abandoned by Google and Samsung. Bet it will take about a year before I see ICS it at all.
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Guest 4 days ago in reply to Nelm
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urpert 4 days ago in reply to Guest
Another fanboy in denial...sigh
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alexanderrk 4 days ago in reply to urpert
C-C-C-OMBO BREAKER
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InexperiencedExpert 4 days ago in reply to alexanderrk
Comment exploded into a million tiny pieces of glittery magic.
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Cameron Thomsen 4 days ago
Why don't they put the Asus Transformer in the battery life chart? It has like 8 to 9 hours!
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Vancestone Hall 4 days ago in reply to Cameron Thomsen
because it would have a greater battery life than the ipad 2. you cant have that.
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Jonathan Ciak 4 days ago
So… on a scale from 1 to 10?
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quizibo 4 days ago in reply to Jonathan Ciak
at least a 2
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JonnyFive 4 days ago in reply to Jonathan Ciak
read the review... it's obviously a 6/10
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psymo 4 days ago in reply to JonnyFive
+5 for the pen, so 11/10 it is.
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idroid_S 4 days ago in reply to psymo
6/10 WITH the pen...
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Tech_is_SRSbsns 4 days ago in reply to Jonathan Ciak
Usability: 8.5 (software bloat means no 9)
Battery life: 7, still can't match the iPad 2's over 10 hours of beast
Case: 11/10 (since the iPad got a "10" for that category and this blows it out of the water)
Add on keyboard : 10/10
Overall 8.5 -> Interesting buy if you haven't flipped for the iPad/tab/HP pad yet
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phellandrn 4 days ago in reply to Jonathan Ciak
Exactly! I miss the number scale (and the ensuing arguments about it that followed in the comment section). Depending on the author, it is hard to read whether or not something is worth it. Numbers make it easy for tards like me lol
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BarkerWoofer 4 days ago in reply to phellandrn
Number scores are now hidden in the "battery life" section of the review. It took me a while to realize this too.
iPad gets a 10
Thinkpad gets an 8
Galaxy Tab gets a 6
And so on.
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Nay Naing 4 days ago in reply to BarkerWoofer
It's not favortism, it's cold hard fact. iPad 2 still has the best battery life. When someone tops it, they will be listed as king for battery life. Go test it for yourself if you don't beleive it.
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EddieDounn 4 days ago in reply to Nay Naing
ZING
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David Witthoft 4 days ago in reply to Nay Naing
Did you hear that? That was sarcasm going right over your head
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zackb07 4 days ago in reply to BarkerWoofer
Poor Aconia A100 only gets 4.5! I call BS! How can they rate it that high! :)
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XDAMM 4 days ago in reply to zackb07
It's running on a low voltage processor, not a specialized ARM one, so it's expected to have low battery life compared to other tablets. Expect Windows 8 tablets to be just like that.
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Kruemmelmonster 4 days ago in reply to XDAMM
Yeah, exactly.
Thats also why Microsoft baked ARM-Support into Windows 8.. oh wait.
Guest 4 days ago in reply to BarkerWoofer
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phellandrn 4 days ago in reply to Guest
Get the hell out of here you loser.
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TouchWiz 4 days ago in reply to phellandrn
I thought his comment added a depth to BarkerWoofer's comment.
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Durand4ll 4 days ago in reply to phellandrn
grass is always greener.
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phellandrn 4 days ago in reply to Durand4ll
When you water it :)
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annoynimous 4 days ago
wasn't all the thinkpad laptops bulky? to most thinkpad users, it translates to durable?
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David Duarte 4 days ago in reply to annoynimous
Indeed, I loved my old thinkpad because of the feel that I could use it as a weapon to attack my boss and minutes later use the same device to send my resumes. You can't pay for that kind of functionality, this is the real definition of "reliable".
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Durand4ll 4 days ago in reply to annoynimous
i have a t510, and it's huge, and very square.
not a bad looking machine imo, just very corporate and large.
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Krzysztof Chmiel 4 days ago in reply to Durand4ll
My T410s dimensions are: 13.1″ x 9.4″ x 1″ – 1.25″Is it bulky?
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uberamd 4 days ago in reply to Krzysztof Chmiel
I have a T420 and I think its pretty bulky. You have the slim, and that S is an important distinction. Its bulky, but does indeed feel sturdy. Sadly the extended battery has a bit of play, its not as snug as I hoped it would be.
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Durand4ll 4 days ago in reply to Krzysztof Chmiel
but the 410 is the smaller, lighter lenovo laptop (well it's the 420 now)
deployed a 420 yesterday. Very nice. the 410's at my work get the vertical lines on the LCD displays (we have 7 like that now, but quite a large fleet of them, so it's not like they are all failing)
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Adam Arakelian 4 days ago
Well it has a good battery life, it's ruining 3.2 and it's cheaper then the Flyer so it's not that bad. Although it's obvious there's designs flaws with it but it's still solid.
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Generalmishmash 4 days ago
Sluggish, Unresponsive, Honeycomb.
Funny how those words are so often seen together.
Unusually "buggy" isn't there so I guess thats progress.
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Daumus 4 days ago in reply to Generalmishmash
...don't forget open sourced, user oriented and "do what you want with it" approach... Those 3 are always together...
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Generalmishmash 4 days ago in reply to Daumus
Honeycomb is not open-sourced, a hotch potch of design by several people is not user orientated and most people would like to use it to run apps smoothly and reliably but they don't exist or crash frequently
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ys_lee 4 days ago in reply to Daumus
But that's the problem with Honeycomb: It's not on the AOSP, so hackers can't optimise it for custom ROMs.
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Etdashou 4 days ago
IBM design is absolutely horrific.
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LloydChiro 3 days ago in reply to Etdashou
I like the way my Thinkpad looks!
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Jon Paradise 4 days ago in reply to Etdashou
IBM sold their PC business to Lenovo in 2005, which would include the design of this tablet. Check your facts first before posting and looking like an idiot.
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Etdashou 4 days ago in reply to Jon Paradise
First Laptop I got 8 years ago was a IBM Thinkpad.
This Lenovo Thinkpad looks like my laptop 8 years ago = design awful.
Lenovo haven't really changed the design.
Conclusion 1: This design, which is pratically the same type as before, is horrific.
Conclusion 2: Your the idiot.
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Elranzer 4 days ago in reply to Etdashou
"Your the idiot."
Ironic.
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Michael Corleone 4 days ago in reply to Etdashou
Do you think you can fool a Corleone with this?
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sashank 4 days ago
where is the review score .. i miss it now. i cant read the entire thing. (poor concentration to blame).
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Andrew DeSio 4 days ago in reply to sashank
I miss the scores as well, but I think if you just look at the sections, you'll get a the general idea if it has what you're looking for. After reading the pen input section, I knew this wasn't for me.
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xynta_man 4 days ago
$99 or GTFO
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Miketomlin 4 days ago in reply to xynta_man
GTFO or GTFO? Your choice bro!
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DoctorComrade 4 days ago in reply to xynta_man
This got old the first time it was said.
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TechBig 4 days ago in reply to DoctorComrade
This will never get old. $99 tablet is all what people can afford. Blame our economy.
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DaHarder 4 days ago in reply to xynta_man
Way tired internet meme... is just way tired.
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MissingMatter 4 days ago
That's more like it! I want to see more tablets with pens. We'll probably never see one for the iPad, but that's okay as long as more like this come out. Hopefully with Windows 8 we'll see a ton more.
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davvyk 4 days ago in reply to MissingMatter
Why do you want tablets to have pens? Is it only for note taking? Just interested to know to be honest.
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William Anderson 4 days ago in reply to davvyk
drawing apps for one. I personally would love one that I could use with sketchbook pro that has some pressure sensitivity for quick sketches on the go that aren't glorified finger paints. I would think this fits the bill since I was able to draw a pretty good portrait in best buy on a flyer. Give me a 10incher with that pen and not costing me 1000bucks and I'm all over it.
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andrer 4 days ago in reply to davvyk
I would use it for note taking. However, Windows is also an requirement if it´s supposed to be used seriously.
Here is an video of someone drawing on it. You can clearly see how superior it is in sketching compared to other Android/iPad tablets because of the stylus.
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MissingMatter 4 days ago in reply to davvyk
Note taking and drawing. I'm a PhD student so I do a lot of note taking in both my classes and my research. I used a Latitude XT and MS OneNote in college to take all my notes and it was great. They're all categorized and indexed so I can search through my handwriting. Also I could cut pictures and graphs from my digital textbooks and paste them into my notes and annotate them during lecture.
You just can't do any of that with the iPad or any other tablet out there. They're great for content consumption, but I did real work with my Latitude XT. Problem is it's really bulky, so I'd like a smaller lighter version. This looks pretty good, but I think the hardware that comes out with Windows 8 will be perfect.
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William Anderson 4 days ago in reply to MissingMatter
You can do it with plenty of tablets out there. They are windows 7 tablets though. And cost alot more than these consumer tablets. A ASUS Eee Slate EP121 can do all that you just said. But you aren't getting one of those for 600 bucks either.
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davvyk 4 days ago in reply to MissingMatter
Fair enough, there is certainly enough room for these devices and a pen is a decent way to differentiate. A content creation/work tablet that works would certainly be different to the content consumption route current tablets focus on. Im an iPad user myself but have to admit im interested by Windows 8.
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psymo 4 days ago in reply to davvyk
Thing is, somebody has to create those gadgets. Engineers, scientists, designers... exactly the kind of people who can't do their work without a pen.
Without those people, there would be no iPad. And if all our computers were iPads, nobody would be able to create any new gadgets anymore.
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xynta_man 4 days ago in reply to MissingMatter
Pens are so 20th century
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psymo 4 days ago in reply to xynta_man
Tell that to scienstists and designers (you know, the people who bring you the 21st century gadgets).
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Dane Gabriel 4 days ago in reply to psymo
Oh, you mean those guys that use Cintiq tablets, or precision mice and CAD programs?
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William Anderson 4 days ago in reply to Dane Gabriel
A cintiq tablet isn't portable.
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psymo 4 days ago in reply to Dane Gabriel
Obviously you're not part of that elite...
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Sailor Cosmos 4 days ago
It's just very great tablet. With classy design. I like!
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DaHarder 4 days ago in reply to Sailor Cosmos
What's so 'great' about:
- A Bulky design
- A display that isn't always responsive
- Sluggish performance
- Long boot times
- OCR software that isn't very precise
There's appears to be nothing particularly 'great' at all here...
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ad min 3 days ago in reply to DaHarder
- design is a very personal thing,imo ThinkPad design is the best
- have you tried it yourself or you just trust the reviewer when talking about unresponsive screen?
- nobody never shuts down his tablet,they always go into sleep mode and wake up in 2 seconds
- once again,have you tried it yourself?
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quizibo 4 days ago in reply to DaHarder
you left out price
629.99 for the whole package (tablet 16gb, pen and keyboard folio).
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Sailor Cosmos 4 days ago in reply to DaHarder
Telling truth in the forehead is not always good. Especially if it's not truth.
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DaHarder 4 days ago in reply to Sailor Cosmos
Hmmm...
You might be taking that whole 'cosmos' thing a bit too seriously - O-o
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Sailor Cosmos 4 days ago in reply to DaHarder
Well... The design isn't bulky at all. In my opinion.
What about performance, you can optimize it, because it's android.
I don't know what to say about touch, I haven't used it yet.
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Mmmm 4 days ago in reply to DaHarder
Agreed.
As it turns out, I'd much rather type and jot notes with pen while I am doing business. The pen is gimmicky, imo, unless you are looking for a cheap Cintiq.
The only time I would pretend to jot is when I'm off site, standing and talking to someone, and pretending to be attentive while all I wrote were actually nonsensical scribbles. With that said, the plastic to glass feels too slippery to write, and in comparison, a normal pen's friction on a paper is about just right when you are trying to write standing up.
And without Microsoft's ink recognition, the Android OCR is basically crap. I'd take OneNote over any crap on Android any day. So I'll wait for my convertible Windows 8 tablet instead.
- Typed on my Thinkpad.
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