Tuesday, November 29, 2011
How to get a FREE MACBOOK, IPOD TOUCH or MONEY(NO CREDIT CARD NEEDED)
Paul Ricard · Subscribe · Top Commenter · HEC Paris
Apple created the MacBook. Apple created the MacBook Pro. Apple created the MacBook Air. Apple improved the MacBook Air. Apple killed the MacBook.
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Apple improves the MacBook Air. Apple kills the MacBook Pro. Apple kills the word "MacBook". Long live the Air?
In two years maximum, Apple will offer a 11", 13", 15", 17" "Air". That's it. On one side of it will be the iPad, on the other side will be the iMac-slash-iTV.
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Jackson Dahl · Laguna Hills High
It looks as though we'll see Apple eventually kill the Air with an advanced iPad. People who need it will just use a keyboard.
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Paul Ricard · Subscribe · Top Commenter · HEC Paris
Jackson Dahl Hmmmmm might be (might also be the other way around: a MacBook Air with a removable keyboard!). But... I don't think touch + an advanced Siri would kill the need for a keyboard. Especially in a work environment... So... could iPad and MacBook Air merge into a single dual-use device?
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Jackson Dahl · Laguna Hills High
Paul Ricard Yeah, that's definitely plausible as well. They could probably make a keyboard somewhat like the smart cover (in that it attaches, not in flimsiness, obviously). Either way, that's definitely the way Apple is going.
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Joshua DeClercq
I'm confused by this article. The difference between a 13" and 15" display on a laptop isn't just dramatic: it has a huge impact on the overall comfort of using the device. Speaking as someone on a 14" ThinkPad who wishes he had opted for the 15" model, a 13" display would be practically tunnel vision to me. You can't compare laptop displays to tablet displays, because tablets are one-app-at-a-time experiences. No matter what you do on an iPad, its entire display is never more than the equivalent of one single window floating on your desktop OS.
So unless you're anticipating the death of multitasking--or at least reducing it to where we were back in the 80s with task switchers--the importance of screen real estate on productivity devices won't go away for as long as we have the windows and desktops metaphors.
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Simon Broenner · Aachen, Germany
Hmmm, it's not really a matter of screen size, but rather resolution. If I could get a 12" or 13" laptop with 1600x900 or even 1080p, I'd probably be in heaven. 14" Thinkpads should have offered 1080p a long time ago, or 1680x1050 in the good old 16:10 days... assuming you have the highest resolution offered on 14" Thinkpads right now (that would be 1600x900), I'd wager you'd see the same improvement from a 1080p panel in that same T420 as from upgrading to a T520 for the 1080p...
Higher resolution = more screen real estate without actually having to carry around a bigger screen. Big bonus in my book... :)
All this dependent on your eyesight being good enough to acutally make use of the high pixel densities involved, of course...
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Joshua DeClercq
Simon Broenner I dig the importance of resolution, and I did make the investment in the higher option (I refuse to compute at that ridiculous 13??x7?? standard 9/10 laptops wield). Resolution allows more content to fit, but for comfortable viewing I need actual screen size. While I can read small text well enough, eye fatigue sets in all the more quickly. There's also the reduction in readability when in battery saving low-brightness modes compounding the effect.
I've also trained myself to adhere to some small degree of ergonomics. I want my screen a certain distance away from me. I don't do the cafe hunch--and I don't know how so many people can stand to do it themselves, but there they are, every day, squeezed into tables with their face a foot from their screens.
A lot of it comes down to taste and simple matters of personal comfort that vary from one user to the next. If an OS did a decent job of scaling text and window elements for once, I'd take a higher resolution just for the smooth lines (and turn AA off in all of my games once and for all). But scaling is a feature that developers have long neglected as a result of resolution growth stagnating. If all the high res displays are too expensive for any significant number of users to have them, why put any special effort into catering to them?
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Alex Badescu · Subscribe · Top Commenter · Windows Phone / iOS Developer at Pronetis
Simon Broenner it's not just the density of pixels(resolution) it's the size of the screen also that matters. if i put my laptop at 100 cm from me, i would like to be able to decipher what the hell is happening on my desktop, the presence of good resolution doesn't actualyl help me. it must be a perfect match between screen size and resolution
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Scott Yates · Subscribe · Top Commenter · CEO at BlogMutt
Another reason people will want the 15-inch, I think, is that it's enough bigger than the iPad that it will feel more like a work computer. Right now the Air is great, but it's really not much different screen size from the iPad, so it feels a little like I'm not really working.
And the people who get one will want an iPad for something to go around with, so... yes... the 15-inch seems to be just a matter of time.
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MG Siegler · Subscribe · Top Commenter · General Partner at CrunchFund · 53,616 subscribers
fair point for sure.
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Rob Shelby
MG Siegler, The difference between a 13" and 15" monitor is for designers.
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Steffen Thieringer
Give me all the pixel density in the world as long the display is also coming in a matte option.
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John Fernandez
so you call ultrabooks a name made up by a 12 year? what was iPhone made up by? a 2 year old? "Lets add the letter I to the word phone, even though we will market it as a device that is MORE than a phone. That makes lots of sense!"
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MG Siegler · Subscribe · Top Commenter · General Partner at CrunchFund · 53,616 subscribers
you're right, they should have gone with UltraPhone.
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Daniel M. Clark · Subscribe · Top Commenter
MG Siegler the UltraPhone Nitro X. Catchy.
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Graham Goucher · Penn State
Dear Apple,
Stop trying to make my money (magically) disappear. Thank you.
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Stephen Albright · Top Commenter · Penn State
G'morning, Graham.
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Graham Goucher · Penn State
helloooo Stephen....thought u might be browsing this at some point
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Alberto Celestino Poto
A few days ago you said the iPad was going to kill the computer, now you say typing more than a few dozen words on a tablet is not practical. I know you're paid to stir shit up, but try to dissimulate a little better.
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Robert Scoble · Subscribe · Top Commenter · Startup Liaison Officer at Rackspace Managed Hosting · 71,110 subscribers
Dude, when you told me the new iMac could support two 24-inch Thunderbolt monitors I went out and bought all three (cost me $6,000). They are glorious. But I agree with you. I gotta go upstairs to use my computing throne. Most of the time I would rather sit on the couch with the iPad. That said, I'm shocked you haven't bought the third monitor yet. It is glorious to have that many pixels shining at you.
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Sammi Naughton · Subscribe · Founder & Chief Ninja Connector at Outside Insight · 957 subscribers
I'm a dual monitor gal, myself.
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Shaun Clark · Subscribe · Breckenridge, Colorado
I cannot wait to get that set up...kinda waiting for this one to give me a reason to upgrade...
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Kiệt Tiêu Trương
Don't forget to wear sunscreen, Mr. Scroble.
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Chris Johnston · Subscribe · University of New Orleans
I want a MacPro and a 30in Cinema Display. Editing 1000's of wedding images on a laptop, not so much fun. Rendering video is even less fun.
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Jostein Svendsen · CEO & Founder at WeVideo
Unless you can use the video rendering processing power of the cloud - like with WeVideo... making it possible to edit and render HD broadcast quality video on a smartphone, tablet or netbook FASTER than on the most powerful iMac.... that is a paradigm shift in computing! :)
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Will Gunty · Subscribe · Box.net
On the Pro you can upgrade to a High Res screen at 1680x1050.
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MG Siegler · Subscribe · Top Commenter · General Partner at CrunchFund · 53,616 subscribers
good point. i do wonder if apple won't push the 15-inch Air beyond that though. 1920x1200? or even up to iPad 3 resolution?
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Jean-Philippe Cyr · Montreal, Quebec
MG Siegler The MacBook Air 15 (or whatever they will call it in the end if they kill the Pro line) would far probably not comes with a 1920 x 1200 resolution. This is a pixel density ratio that is way too high for the size of the screen. The actual HD resolution available in option for the MBP 15 at 1680 x 1650 is already 36% larger in density than the actual resolution of 1440 x 900. This is already a problem for many users as the text is too small in many applications and to browse the web without increasing the font size on every sites. In comparison the MacBook Air with its resolution of 1440 x 900 on a 13.3 inches screen is just 26% larger than 1280 x 1024, making the text a bit smaller, but just by 1/4. It makes all the difference as your eyes can adjust more easily. If the MacBook Air 15 sees light, I say it would far probably be at the maximum resolution of 1680 x 1050, unless they are planning to release the first ever Retina Display MacBook Air as you are saying. We know Lion is ready for it, but that would mean such a shift, I would not count on this for next year other than for the iPad 2.5 (or 3 - depends how they wish to call it).
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Mitch Grasso · Founder & CTO at SlideRocket
MG Siegler I'm typing this comment on my new MacBook Pro 15" with the upgraded 1680x1050 resolution screen and I'm worried I made a mistake with the higher resolution. It makes the text so small that it's bothering my eyes to work with it.
1920x1200 on a 15" screen would really be unusable unfortunately...
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Kevin Marks · Subscribe · Top Commenter · San Jose, California · 620 subscribers
They've almost caught up with my wishlist from 2 years ago: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2009/01/macworld-wishlist.html.
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Mitch Ribar · Subscribe · Manhattan, New York
Eventually MacBookPro's will drop optical drives and shift to SSD. They'll remain somewhat heavy due to the cooling structure required for higher performance parts. Feels like Apple would be cutting their own grass launching Air's alongside same-sized MBPs...... PS:Jus t quickly.... If a MacBook Pro is too heavy it's probably time to hit the gym... just joking.... But seriously....I'm joking.... Yeah, but seriously :)
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Simon Broenner · Aachen, Germany
Why would the weight change? Switch out the optical drive for a big mechanical hard drive and stick an SSD in the main bay, and you've got a hell of a machine. Seems like the obvious move to me... :D
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Mitch Ribar · Subscribe · Manhattan, New York
Even with an SSD and removed optical drive, the weight will remain largely the same due to the cooling setup required (heatsinks are being used more than high powered fans, which is heavy).
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Lars Pallesen · Top Commenter · DJH
Mitch Ribar > From my understanding the new Ivy Bridge CPUs expected to debut in the new 15" MacBook run cooler than the present Core i5/i7 processors, so they may not need as much mechanical cooling.
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Jarrod Kahn · Top Commenter · University of Colorado at Boulder
ya, I have the same problem of using my laptop on my couch 20 feet away from 2 23 inch displays hooked up monstrosity of specification overkill. but hey, if we didn't have these ridiculous machines we wouldn't be here in the first place.
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Nam Chu Hoai · Subscribe · Top Commenter · Boston University
Summary of the Post: Computers get smaller and more efficient and cloud computing decreases the need for performance at home. Redudancy ftw.
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Márcio Cyrillo · Subscribe · Head of Mobile Strategy / UX Atelier at Ci&T
funny thing is that I am also keeping my 27-inch iMac + extra 24-inch monitor at my desk and I am most often in front of 10-inch macbook air. Not interested in the 15-inch macbook air though.
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Alex Badescu · Subscribe · Top Commenter · Windows Phone / iOS Developer at Pronetis
first of all, let me clarify an aspect : I view a latop as a PC(because it is). a Macbook is still a PC because it offers(regardless of the OS) the power to do all-range computing. PC is not a MSFT brand, as I recall systems using Linux are also PCs(full-featured Linux OS, not limited editions like android). I wanted to clarify this because I never understood the commercials "PC-vs-Mac", because the Mac is also a PC(hence Personal Computer-as in-not 10m x 4m x 10m in size).
Again, lack of consistance MG : in your last post you piched the idea that tablets(and not any tablet, the iPad) are the future in this "POST-PC" era. Now you say that the MacBook Air is the future(and not the Ultrabooks, of course).
AGAIN, there is no POST-PC era, it's a PC+ era. And regardless of this lack of vision from you, I've observed that your "visions" addapt to that roumors that appear about Apple. Surelly you MUST believe that Apple is not the only inovator in the world.. That would make you kind of.. an imbecile..(and I don't doubt you are).
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Carlos 'Billy' Herrera · Top Commenter · He's Awesome at Everything
Damn.. it kind of sucks that the internet gives people this power to call people names like that based on the fact that they are biased. It makes you think "how many people would actually call a writer an 'imbecile' to their face if the were to meet?"
Even with name behind it, this is too much power. Great point altogether though until you ruined it in the end.
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Alex Badescu · Subscribe · Top Commenter · Windows Phone / iOS Developer at Pronetis
Carlos 'Billy' Herrera you are correct, it's not ok to call people names, i agree with you.. but i have to admit that i kind of get frustrated that MG is allowed to speak on a site as big as TechCrunch. The issue is that a lot of people read this kind of posts and actually believe him, out of naivety. A point of view is a point of view, but that doesn't give anyone the right to trash the good work of some people(as MG does with non-Apple products) just because the work isn't Apple-made, so.. as for my comment that MG is an imbecile, i stand by it. I'm not an addopter of the "no-kid-left-behind" policy. If you are not good at what you do, stop doing it!
I didn't see you comment on MG's posts when he was trashing MSFT,HP,Android and so on(where literally thousand of people work) with no good reason.. but it appears that my comment regarding him is 'offensive' although between what i'm saying and what he's saying,my comment is the only thing true.
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Carlos 'Billy' Herrera · Top Commenter · He's Awesome at Everything
Alex Badescu Fair enough. I agree with you as well. I actually think TechCrunch has become such a bad news site that I'm not sure if it has gradually happened, happened overnight or if it was like that all along and I just didn't see it.
For me, it has become a routine to just read the headlines because the are one top of the news game but not so much read the articles. I watch the interviews because there is only so much they can twist with an actual person in front of them but, other than that, the quality of the site gets worse every day.
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George Tinari · Subscribe · Top Commenter · Writer at IntoMobile
One big obstacle of the 15-inch Air is that it will almost certainly be more expensive than the 15-inch Pro.
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Paul Ricard · Subscribe · Top Commenter · HEC Paris
Since when is that a problem for an Apple product (or for any extra-features product)?
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Carlos 'Billy' Herrera · Top Commenter · He's Awesome at Everything
True. It's been the case so far. I'm hoping by the time they release it, they are able to leverage prices with suppliers and offerer and very similar prices. Of course, a 'cheaper air then pro' scenario would be ideal for adoption. I would love to see an optical-drive-free world. The sooner the Air replaces the Pro as the only macbook the faster this will happen.
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Max Woolf · Subscribe · Top Commenter · Carnegie Mellon University · 450 subscribers
I personally can't wait for the 17-inch MacBook Air.
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MG Siegler · Subscribe · Top Commenter · General Partner at CrunchFund · 53,616 subscribers
i mean i'd really like a 32-inch Air. i'd carry it around in the 64-inch Air dock.
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Javier GA Silva · Royal Holloway
MG Siegler a 32inch Air...you mean the new iTV ;)
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David Manning · Sales at Atlantix Global Systems
I'm a buyer for sure - as long as I can get 8GB (or more) of RAM in the machine.
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Antony Justin · Subscribe · National Institute of Technology, Surathkal
Are you having a wet dream or are those the rumored specs?
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Jean-Philippe Cyr · Montreal, Quebec
Wet dreams I would say ;)
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Kiệt Tiêu Trương
Could be pipe dream. O.o
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Kiệt Tiêu Trương
I wish the MBP's drive bay is modular like my first Dell laptop (Inspiron 8000 10 years ago?) where you can insert an extended battery when not using the dvd drive.
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Jim Silverman · Top Commenter · Hoboken, New Jersey
I think the problem here is that there's no reason for a blogger to have a 27" imac, let alone one with a 24" external display. tremendous waste of money.
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Hywel Bob Thomas
I can't see me dropping from a 17". Weight and size aren't a big issue for me, but screen size is. I can't see that changing unless unser interfaces change in some radical way. I spend a lot of time in Omnigraffle and Excel. Both are screen hogs.
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Cassidy Lavin · San Francisco, California
Two days in a row! Aghhhh didn't I ask for no more 15" MacBook air rumor articles? Its coming, we get it. Please, stop. Seriously. sheesh.
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D.r. Wallace · Digital Strategist at IIR Middle East
For my 2cents - I would the 15" came as a widescreen.
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Alex Wolfe
I really enjoy using my iMac 27. I would suggest unplugging the extra monitor. I tried having two monitors for a while and it makes for a terrible experience. I found myself spending more time managing my desktops then getting things done. All macs have the spaces option anyway so you really don't need to plug in the extra monitor. Being focused on one thing is very very refreshing.
That said, I understand the use case for having an extremely portable computer, it is certainly a different experience and very enjoyable for most people. For me I feel a little trapped on a small monitor even at 15 inches. I'm not huge on the trackpad either so that could be another reason. Anyway, my two cents, interesting article.
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Patrick R. Gibbons · Abone Ol · Üst Düzey Yorumcu · Las Vegas, Nevada
The 13 inch is more than enough screen space and a good weight too (I'm using it to type this right now). I would have gone to the 11 inch if they could have squeezed more batter life out of it. The 11 inch is slightly bigger than an ipad and adding keyboard to the Ipad makes it the same weight as the Air. A 15 inch or 17 inch air sounds silly to me though. If you want a 17 inch you sound like the type of person who is into desktop replacement not true mobile computing.
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Peter Payne · J-List'te Owner
I just bought a new 15 inch Macbook Pro, knowing that this is coming and not caring. I love having an SSD (I've got several laying around) in and then adding a 1 TB drive where the DVD drive goes. Unless the new MBP comes with a 240 MB SSD and a space for a drive, I will not be happy with it. I just need that much space, I go to the U.S. for months at a time (from Japan, where I live) and need videos to watch, files to work on and so on.
Also, if Apple TRIES to make a laptop with the video on one side and power on the other, then make me connect them a ridiculous cable that connects to both sides, I will look seriously at moving to DELL. That is the dumbest design move ever.
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Angelina Christopher · Üst Düzey Yorumcu · University of Lincoln
Apple created the best I am loving it the only Issue I am facing is the Battery Timing and also I Prefer using iPad for more relaxed typing the any MacBook So Still stick with the Apple........http://365socialmedia.co.uk/.
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Michael David Smith
Great read. Still need a cable lock for work, and it is still nice, once in a while, to have access to an optical drive for movies,(external is fine). As long as those two capabilites are taken into account in the 15" model, Apple will probably see some of my pesos.
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Firas Bushnaq · Los Angeles, California
I see an Air with a detachable iPad 15 inch Retina screen and an iPhone slot for the CPU, upgrade your iPhone and get faster cores.
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Zsolt Vasvari · Üst Düzey Yorumcu · AnMoney Pte Ltd'da Owner
Will Apple patent that and sue ASUS?
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Jeff Durso · Üst Düzey Yorumcu · MIT
WANT! I love my 13" MacBook Air more than any machine I've ever owned; but 15" will be over the top awesome...
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Jeff Korhan · Abone Ol · Jeff Korhan'da Speaker, Consultant, and Coach
Thigh cooker - love that. :) Yes, I remember having a Dell that was... "only 7 pounds!"
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Ryan Kearney · Abone Ol · Full Sail University
And I have a 27" iMac with 2 27" Thunderbolt displays and I love using it. Perhaps your 24" monitor is what's killing you.
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Gregory Pierce · Üst Düzey Yorumcu · Atlanta, Georgia
If it has a discrete video card I am in the market for it. If it does not, I'm not in the market for it.
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Gregory Pierce · Üst Düzey Yorumcu · Atlanta, Georgia
And a matte option... heaven help them if they don't ship with a matte option.
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Simon Broenner · Aachen, Germany
And upgradeable RAM... or at least a model or two with 8GB or 16GB.
Or is OS-X that non-RAM-hungry? I'd be running Windows anyway, so I'd need my 8GB, but are the 4GB really enough for day to day work on OSX? Hell, a few of my browser windows frequently use nearly 2 gigs... doesn't leave a lot of room for all the other stuff running in the background (closing programs is a waste of time :p).
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Kiệt Tiêu Trương
Simon Broenner I think MBP are the best Windows hardware when Core Duo 2 lines came out. With the unibody models, MBP became the best looking hardware to be running Windows. :P
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Rafael Kireyev
It looks that computer niches will be expanded.
1. desktop
2. desktop-notebook (or compаct desktop or bedtop or couchtop and so on).
3. mobile-notebook
4. tablet
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Twin Wojtach
still not going to pay over a grand for a computer that will have out of date components in about a year.
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Stephen Morgan
So, I guess you will never buy a computer over a grand I guess....
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Lars Pallesen · Üst Düzey Yorumcu · DJH
Please explain how a brand new Ivy Bridge Core i7 CPU + an SSD + Thunderbolt port + an internal SDXC card reader will become "out of date components in about a year" ?
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Twin Wojtach
Because that is what you see with everything... You are better off buying something cheaper and updating more frequently. Lars Pallesen
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Harsha Angampalli · Temple University
LG looks like they already beat Apple to the game w/ the LG P330. More powerful than the MBP, but it favors thinness by removing the optical drive.
Of course, the name is LG and it hasn't been released stateside...yet. However, best on what we've seen so far, it looks amazing.
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