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Arshdeep Goswami · Self Employed at Sofware Engineer
Paypal, The Safest way to steal people's money online.
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· 3 hours ago

Arshdeep Goswami · Self Employed at Sofware Engineer
Show some love on their facebook page https://www.facebook.com/paypal
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· 3 hours ago
Nathan Prescott · Top Commenter · Toronto, Ontario
Arshdeep Goswami Oh they are nixing those negative comments as fast as they can.
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· about an hour ago
Jordan Richardson · Top Commenter
Nathan Prescott, not fast enough. About 950 of them are raging strong.
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David S Foreman · Owner at Interactive limited
PayPal is another prime example of corporate power gone mad. My mom has not been able to use PayPal for years, they disabled her account - a purchase only account - no support tickets were answered no explanations. I recommend all users of PayPal to set up a separate account to sweep funds for PayPal only. Do not set up PayPal with your primary business checking account - too many stories of how they have ruined good businesses with indiscriminate application of spurious rules. Similar to Google which wiped a lot of good sites off the map in their Panda update, these large companies operate with the delicacy of Stalin - a few dead bodies are a small price to pay for protection from the "terrorists". The issue is that with all that large companies know about us and can know about us, they still treat people with a level of cruel indifference only experienced in totalitarian regimes.
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Daniel Bentley · Manchester, United Kingdom

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Daniel Bentley · Manchester, United Kingdom
fixed
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Ben Lang · Top Commenter · Marketing at Wibiya · 112 subscribers
Another reason to head over to https://www.wepay.com/notpaypal.
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Arion Hardison · Top Commenter · IOS Developer at Diet Manager
Not only is the wepay.com product better but their customer support is really awesome.
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Chris Acky · Top Commenter · Indianapolis, Indiana
I had a bad situation with Paypal a few years back. I first set up my first business when I was 17. It all generally went well and it paid my way through University. I only took money through Paypal. (I sold game hosting and had about 2 racks full of servers.)

All in all I never recovered a single chargeback from a client who did one. The worst was when I received a 212GBP chargeback 5 months after the purchase of a server. I protested it with Paypal, and then they froze my account for investigation for 11 days. During which they requested that I provide proof of postage, and I explained that this was impossible due to the electronic nature of the goods being purchased.

I think I was about 20~ at this point and had rack/power/IP Transit fees which were about 1K GBP per month. It basically prevented me from taking any new customers for that period and killed off an entire months profit.
Additionally, any customers who wanted to renew, I had to give away free time because I couldn't take payment.
Paypal are probably my least respected companies. I refuse to use them for anything.
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Nathan Prescott · Top Commenter · Toronto, Ontario
Paypal has never understood digital goods and services. They love collecting those sweet sweet fees but have no ideal how to support them properly. I've had 3-4k held for 180 days and well we all saw what happened to the minecraft dev's account.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/103385-PayPal-Freezes-750K-in-MineCraft-Devs-Account

http://i.imgur.com/agJxH.png
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· about an hour ago
Nathan Prescott · Top Commenter · Toronto, Ontario
idea*
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Nancy McWilliams
I would never use your service after ripping off that poor community..shame on you Paypal!
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Kai MacMahon · New York, New York
"You hear more about folks like Merlin Mann and now Regretsy getting dinged than the scammers who tried to rent us a place in the Catskills that didn’t belong to them last winter."

Who says journalism is dead, eh?
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· 4 hours ago

John Biggs · Top Commenter · Gadgets Editor at TechCrunch
I am the 1% of bloggers
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· 3 hours ago
Kai MacMahon · New York, New York
John Biggs Bravo :)

Isn't this just a symptom of Paypal's size though? I feel like this is an issue that would be simply solved by getting past the jobsworth customer service perosn.
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· 3 hours ago
John Biggs · Top Commenter · Gadgets Editor at TechCrunch
Kai MacMahon that's rarely the case. these cuts are usually arbitrary and, as you saw in the customer service exchange, frustrating
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Charlie Roche · Top Commenter
Only a non profit can use the Donate button? I see it all the time on open-source software websites. Another +1 for PayPal. I see they didn't refund their charges... classy move that.
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· 3 hours ago

Arron Washington · Top Commenter · Owner / Captain of Awesome at The Radical Edwards
This is basically why I steer clients away from accepting PayPal for purchases or services -- PayPal are way too random and crazy, and a fledgling business could be one unwarranted account freeze from shutting down. There are plenty of good alternatives now: Google Checkout, Amazon Payments (my preference), Stripe and Dwolla are now on the scene...
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· 2 hours ago

Kasey Renee Komp · Works at The Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf
I just want to point out that Paypal is allowing this person to use the donate button-> NSFW-http://makeabimbo.com/bigger-tits/ and I bet they are not a non-profit.....so....Are they going to freeze the account?
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· about an hour ago

Ivete Tecedor · New York, New York
I've been using PayPal for 10 years and have literally paid them thousands of dollars, but this story is really unbelievable. It looks like it's time to switch to Dwolla...
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· 3 hours ago

Tim McCormack · Irvine, California
No big surprise to me. I'm forced to use PayPal and I can't stand it. I'll withhold my rant, but suffice it to say they cause problems for me on a regular basis. Invariably when you contact them the answer is always "Sorry, there is nothing I can do. That's the rules." Where is the next round of innovation that is supposed to get rid of answers like these from large incumbents who screw customers and provide poor customer service?

Another example of horrible customer service? Facebook Ad's. Total BS.
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Stella Fayman · Top Commenter · Chicago, Illinois
unfortunately, we hear about this kind of behavior from paypal customers all the time. even when paypal makes an error (like this case) they are so large that it takes them forever to correct it (if they do) and the poor merchant ends up totally screwed. I would definitely consider alternate payment methods like a merchant account with Samurai by FeeFighters or Dwolla.
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· 3 hours ago

James Devonport Wood · Top Commenter · CEO at PageHub
PayPal is becoming an increasingly disgusting organisation. Seems every week there is another story of them screwing someone over.

Hopefully some startup blows them out of the water and delivers a proper service.
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· 3 hours ago

Tim McCormack · Irvine, California
They should change from PayPal to Frienemy (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frenemy).
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· 38 minutes ago

Victor Ocheri · University of Ibadan
The exchange in the post between the author and Paypal, reveals a big PR blunder. I mean like the author pointed out, what's the difference between a worthy cause and charity, or do we now have a new vocabulary for business.
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· 3 hours ago

Shanmuga Subramanian · Top Commenter · Chennai (Madras), India
Paypal, Google Adsense are the prime examples for corporates on how to steal money from users and publishers..Though they are big companies both have one of the worst customer support for users..
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· 2 hours ago

Jason Carr · Top Commenter
Paypal is getting worse each year and stories like these are far too prevalent these days. It's definitely time for a regime change in the small business merchant processing arena.
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· 2 hours ago

Jason Carr · Top Commenter
Wow they're taking a beating online: https://www.facebook.com/paypal?sk=wall&filter=12
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· about an hour ago

Jonathan Beckett · Software developer at Deltascheme
It's not actually Paypal's fault - it's the fault of policy makers and regulators who have dictated the tax terms under which them must operate, and therefore offer services...
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· 3 hours ago

Patrick Daly · North Texas
Except that Paypal makes it incredibly easy for anyone to setup and use a Donate button. I've used these for years and never knew they were limited to non-profits. Clearly, Paypal stands to make money and is going to leave as many open channels as possible and then sweep in after the fact.
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· 3 hours ago
Jonathan Beckett · Software developer at Deltascheme
Patrick Daly while I don't disagree with you, there's a flip side to it. I bet it costs Paypal a lot to retrospectively tidy up - and they no doubt get fined by the tax authorities if they don't proactively do it.

I had to build a payment gateway recently, and even for seemingly simple transactions, it made me realise that 90% of payment gateways on the internet are probably not operating properly...
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· 3 hours ago
Ross Ritchey
Actually - PayPal gives non-profits a special rate on Donations..... but allows anyone to create a Donate button. -> From their Merchant Services page for Donations: "With no programming skills required, our Donate button is an easy and affordable way to start accepting donations online.

It's easy to add this button to your site.
Discounted rates for 501(c)(3) status" and further: "If you are not a 501(c)(3), you can still accept donations with our standard pricing."
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Paula Hughes
Can she not use a page on the JustGiving website instead? You don't have to be a registered non-profit for that. Anyone can do it.
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Rayan Sud
I Think this embodies the sentiment adequately: http://bit.ly/v58UCv.
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Rakesh Verma
So now we know Grinch is real, Only a matter of time before Santa shows up!
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· 3 hours ago

Wendel Fettig · DeVry Institute of Technology
I had a bad experience with pay pal and never used them again.
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· 3 hours ago

Moses Francis · Top Commenter · Web Consultant at Mediasaya
I thought the whole article was a quote..
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· 4 hours ago

Rafi Goldmeier · Bet Shemesh, Israel
that is absolutely crazy.
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· 3 hours ago

Mark SoFla
It's not crazy. If paypal allows anyone (without documentation of being a nonprofit) to put up "Donate" buttons and have people send money to their accounts, what's to stop anyone from doing that and keeping the money for themselves? Paypal has no way to police the proper disbursement of donated money short of relying on documentation of being a nonprofit organization.
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· about an hour ago
Amber Smigiel · Online Content & Social Media Maven at Peace Corps
It doesn't say you have to be a non-profit to use the button. It says in their documentation that it can be used for “worthy causes" but gives no definition of what that means and basically say it is up to their discretion. So in this case, they have targeted someone who has been using paypal to raise money for YEARS and has never had a complaint about stealing anyone's money because they feel like it and are now going to keep the fees from the donations that they are forcing these people to return. So yes, it's crazy.
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