Kindle Fire pre-orders heat up, reportedly reach 95,000

M G 5 minutes ago
"Amazon still has a long way to go before it catches up with Apple"--isn't that a little premature, not to mention grossly flawed logic?  As a point of accuracy, you're comparing Amazon's 95,000 of *first-day pre-orders only* on the one hand, and *all of Apple's preorders* plus *all first-day retail sales* on the other.  I'm going by the information in Engadget's own article, linked above.
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Maria Fe Camaya O'Neill 1 hour ago
You can't beat the price on this. It's going to sell like crazy !
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b4bad 1 hour ago
I will buy this and port windows on it...just for the heck of it..Pr
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TMan0104 2 hours ago
This thing is going to sell like CRACK!!!
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rmonster 2 hours ago
95000 people that aren't very smart, since it wasn't very secret that a better one will be out as early as January 2012. $200 to be obsolete the day the pre-orders were allowed? Pass. I'll wait and see for the spring. I'd like to see what Apple has with the iPad 3, and if this drives the price down any (it probably won't; I know how Apple works). Worst case, I've waited long enough to see Amazon's REAL intentions with the Fire.
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M G 45 minutes ago in reply to rmonster
Our friends here got it wrong the other day:  the next one isn't a revision, it's a different, larger, and likely more expensive model.  Google "10 inch Kindle tablet".  It's hardly a secret.
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Miguel Angel 2 hours ago
I'm very much looking forward to this. Its a tablet e-reader more than it it a tablet. I don't know why people are complaining about space and such. Its primary function is reading, right? Magazines books and maybe a video here and there. I don't think its supposed to be an iPad or iPod that stores your entire media collection.

I can't wait.
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kindlejunkies 2 hours ago in reply to Miguel Angel
It's primary function is the same as an IPAD.  Apps, Games, Books, Video, Music etc...
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dicemoney 3 hours ago
I have the Ipad2, so am not interested in obtaining a tablet any time soon, but this tablet doesn't excite me. It's cheap and all, but first, only 8 gb is super negative, also no sd card option, also is fake android, doesn't offer google services, basically all media will have to come through amazon. Which might be positive to most, but to me that is not. This tablet appears cheap, but once you have to pony for all the content, through amazon. I rather buy a tablet with more memory, and open, a real Android, than the fire.
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Zac Johnson 3 hours ago
I haven't researched much about Amazon's streaming service, but any news on them getting more recent shows and movies? I love the idea of the Fire, but it doesn't seem like their's a lot of streaming options... Anyone?
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Kevin McCarthy 2 hours ago in reply to Zac Johnson
If you don't mind paying for them, then you can get most first run TV episodes the next day.  Same for movies, the day they are released on DVD, you can buy them from Video on Demand (or whatever they call it now) and download it.
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ronster789 3 hours ago
95,000 pre orders for the KindleFire seems awfully low. I would have expected that number to be in the mid 6 figures. Is this only for US release of worldwide ?

www.electronicdealz.com
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NVRMOR 3 hours ago in reply to ronster789
95,000 just on the day it was announced not total like engadget would like you to believe.
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Silver131 3 hours ago in reply to ronster789
US only

Can't preorder as of now unless shipping in US
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Ewinxp 4 hours ago
Don't buy any tablets until Windows 8 is released. These things you see now are just toys.
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M G 42 minutes ago in reply to Ewinxp
I'm inclined to agree, except:  This is meant mainly as a consumptive device.  Windows tablets are far more expensive, run hotter, and the battery charge is shorter.  Also, until I have seen one and determined that it is superior to the horrid Windows 7 tablet experience, I'm going to hold off on Microsoft's latest.
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James Winters 2 hours ago in reply to Ewinxp
I kind of see your point, in that the win8 tablets will be far more useful from a productivity standpoint.  But the fire is not about productivity, it's about leisure.  You read books, browse the web, watch video, check Facebook, and other fun stuff.  On the Win8 tabs, you will be able to sit down, drop it in a docking station, and have a full computer for productivity.  That will be the appeal, and that will be how they will be able to justify a price most likely starting around that of the iPad.  The win8 tabs will put pressure on the iPad from above by offering greater functionality at the same (or greater) price.  Tablets like the Fire will put the pressure on from the bottom, for those that don't need the full functionality of the iPad or win8 tabs.
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Silver131 3 hours ago in reply to Ewinxp
W8 tablets are going to be awesome, and I was waiting until they came out to buy a tablet, that is until the fire came out at 199 and my lack of patience.
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dindak 3 hours ago in reply to Ewinxp
I love Windows but I don't see Windows tabs making a huge impact. Unless MS is willing to sell these at cost or lower - the market is already getting crowded and prices are crashing.
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Daleksnare 3 hours ago in reply to dindak
Apps make the platform, and there are many, many more Windows machines out there than iPads, so developers will support the platform. With ARM processors, Windows tablets should have cheap models too. But unlike an iPad or Kindle Fire, the same platform will also be available on real computers and high-end tablets so you can have your apps everywhere. And you can just buy a tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard instead of a laptop and an iPad. An x86 Windows 8 tablet can actually replace a laptop. That should get the consumers like me who think tablets would be neat but don't want to spend hundreds on a third device that can't even do basic computer-related tasks.
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KhornePony 4 hours ago in reply to Ewinxp
My bet is Windows 8 - Arm Version will be in reality Windows CE with a Windows 8 interface.
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Pavlos Vezirtzoglou 3 hours ago in reply to KhornePony
yesterday I spend 2 hours with MS testing w8 in a tablet . For the new apps the o/s is looking ok. For the traditional apps you go to desktop mode which is exactly like w7. In the beginning it will be only apps store and music will come one year later. It gives you the option to share any screen shot through social media. You can log on by talking a pic of your self and the o/s identifies you. I do not think that they have something major compared to Bios, android and web os
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duc916 4 hours ago
This thing will probably release before my friggin Touchpad even arrives. smh
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NVRMOR 4 hours ago
95,000 on announcement day.  1.5 months to go for release.  Sounds like this thing will be sold out till after the holidays.
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iPady 3 hours ago in reply to Lee
What happened to your best friend's mom? Was she fired?
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Patrik Ekberg 4 hours ago in reply to Lee
Seems legit.

/s
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Dustin 3 hours ago in reply to Patrik Ekberg
I applied twice ;)
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jimr123456789 4 hours ago
If the real world user reviews turn out good I would pick one up in a second.  The price is right and the option for a subscription service sounds like a fair deal.
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Draven Majoor 4 hours ago
not at my price point yet, you gotta beat the touchpad
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Daleksnare 3 hours ago in reply to Draven Majoor
This will actually have support and content though.
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Silver131 3 hours ago in reply to Draven Majoor
LOL
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GeorgeRobo 4 hours ago in reply to Draven Majoor
The touchpad was only ever as cheap as it was because it was being discontinued.

We're going to be waiting a long time for a new tablet priced at $99.
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Peder Svane 4 hours ago
Just a small note... the Amazon Fire has 95k preorders according to this in the US only... Ipad sold 300k world wide in pre order/debut?
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mbongo 4 hours ago in reply to Peder Svane
This number of 95,000 is from one day. This estimate came out the day after the announcement Engadget is just late in picking up the news. Also I don't think its available anywhere else except the US.
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Jay Chan 5 hours ago
This is supposed to be a reply to OCTheo

It is reported to be closer to $10 (~$6+) loss per Kindle Fire. Then again we don't know what bulk deal Amazon made with the hardware suppliers, in which bulk deals are common in such industry.
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ncb1010 4 hours ago in reply to Jay Chan
$10 loss per kindle when sold through Amazon or when sold through a third party retailer where the retailer takes a larger cut than the shipping cost for Amazon?
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Jay Chan 3 hours ago in reply to ncb1010
http://www.maximumpc.com/artic...

Still, we don't know what Amazon is actually paying for the parts themselves as they will certainly be buying in BULK which yields a nice discount. Even if they still manage to lose some money they'll most likely be making it back through software and book sales.
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OCTheo 5 hours ago
This is not in competition with iPad. They are not in the same class. Fire is an appropriate name, because it is burning a hole (loss) in Amazon's bank account.

Apple makes about $200 profit for each iPad. Amazon is going to lose about $50 for each of this Kindle. Amazon is hoping to make money by selling contents.

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M G 19 minutes ago in reply to OCTheo
The problem is that the $50 dent in Amazon's profits means a simultaneous $200 hit to Apple's (using your numbers, which seem off).
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Silver131 3 hours ago in reply to OCTheo
Amazon should sell the Fire for 599 - that way they will make more profit than Apple per unit
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Abbadabaddodoo 4 hours ago in reply to OCTheo
You're right, these tablets aren't in the same class at all. If anything, the Fire is going to be a more popular sell than the iPad. Apple has to be a little worried because their sales of the iPad have slowed as the market that can both afford it and wants it becomes saturated.

What's more, it's starting to look like Apple is taking the same road they always take -- making people pay a premium for the logo on the back. That's fine and all when your product is a status symbol, but once that's gone, you're just left with an overpriced tablet that does basically the same things as this one.

You know what I find funny though? You can buy Amazon's entire line of new Kindles for less than you can buy a WiFi-only iPad 2. This is tablet is going to take a chunk out of Apple's market share, and with its integration with Amazon's stores, it's going to make back that meager $6 they lost.
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kindlejunkies 5 hours ago in reply to OCTheo
First off it's 208 bucks to produce the Fire, so they are not losing 50 bucks a kindle.  Second, why are you bragging about Apple making $200 profit per unit?  Unless you own the stock, I wouldn't be happy about that they could charge you less, but they choose not to.  I support Amazon.
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stickbo 3 hours ago in reply to kindlejunkies
Pretty Ra damning amazing isn't it. Now the new talking point is "your tablet doesn't make enough profit for the cult leaders".

For more talking points please visit cultofmac
Imo this is not in the same league as the ipad, hence the price. There's plenty of room in the inn, some people will sleep with the sheep while others will sleep with the new born baby Jesus. Am I comparing this tab to the second coming of Christ, of course I am.
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auneakeffect 4 hours ago in reply to kindlejunkies
Exactly.  Why would i jump for joy that a company is making $200 off of me?  I much prefer the company that is willing to lose moeny in hopes that they gain it back by me buying more things for myself.  THATS how businesses should be ran.
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WeaponZero 5 hours ago in reply to OCTheo
That is not true, I know which article you are talking about and those numbers are guessed withotu actually doing a real tear down. And that same article said ipad make $100 in profit lol, even though I would say its more.

I will give you an example, the ViewSonic has a dual core and has similar specs and costs 250$(though has a worse lcd but upgrading to a better one is 50$~)  in retail stores. After retail store takes their cut of like $100, that leaves 150$ for viewsonic and they still manage to turn a profit on it somehow.

At 200$ mark I estimate Amazon is making around 50$ profit considering they don't need to share revenue with retailers/distribution channels.
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medicalprofessional 5 hours ago in reply to OCTheo
I would only presume that Amazon is not in this tablet thing in the short term, but they are willing to sell it at a lost to gain traction and marketshare... They can recoup their losses from their strong ecosystem... at least that's what i think. Disregarding the price, the Fire is still a compelling device as it is so I don't see why it won't be a hit.... They have basically covered all the bases for what a tablet is... that is a consumption device.
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David Hutton 5 hours ago in reply to OCTheo
Obviously you've done their books so you know whats their profit/loss.  There is no competition intended, you spoke the obvious they sell content, they give you a device to make that easy.
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kindlejunkies 5 hours ago in reply to OCTheo
There is so much wrong here I don't know even know where to start.
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Duncan lockhart 5 hours ago in reply to kindlejunkies
First, amazon is not losing money on this, get your facts straight.

Second, apple makes such a  huge profit because they work hard to charge people more, while amazon works hard to charge people less.

I'd rather support amazon thank you.

edit: oops meant to reply to main post, not this one.

Plectrum78 5 hours ago
I don't know/can't explain why, but I want one of these.

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Fred G. Vader 5 hours ago
The shroud of the apple has fallen, begun the tablet wars have .
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warrengonline 5 hours ago
This device is NOT Daftpunk....  This is..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

The iPad2 IS Daftpunk..  Thinner, Better, Faster, Stronger...  [smiles and waves]
Attached files

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SocalTeknique 5 hours ago in reply to warrengonline
F#$k off
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E! 5 hours ago
I hope they will add a compass and gyroscope to the 10 inch version. Otherwise, this thing is history for me.
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Duncan lockhart 5 hours ago in reply to E!
Why? So you don't get lost in the wilderness with your tablet again?


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zeddy303 5 hours ago in reply to E!
And the compass on your cell phone doesn't work?
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E! 5 hours ago in reply to zeddy303
Because I don't have one? Doesn't make sense to you, does it. In your world everyone who buys a tablet must have a smartphone, too. Right? *roll eyes*
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Jay Chan 5 hours ago in reply to E!
Get a real compass then. This is meant to be more of an e-reader.
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kindlejunkies 4 hours ago in reply to Jay Chan
No, it's not meant to be more of a e-reader.    It's a device to wrap up all of amazon services (movies, music, books, games, apps, shopping, cloud etc...) into one affordable package.  Quite brilliant if you ask me.
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Prof. Peabody 4 hours ago in reply to kindlejunkies
yeah, in other words "more of an e-reader" (given that the majority of Amazon's sales and services are, you know, to do with books).
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Daleksnare 3 hours ago in reply to Prof. Peabody
No, the Kindle is the e-reader. The Kindle Fire is to cover the other media forms that don't need e-ink.
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flpevman 5 hours ago
Engadget,
can we please have a post that doesnt compare everything to fucking Apple?

We all know how well apple is doing and we would like to enjoy reading about other companies' products without you blatantly declaring your favoritism for Apple.

Thank you,
The Readers
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David Celaya 1 hour ago in reply to flpevman
DAMN! He told u! lol.
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Amir Muslim 4 hours ago in reply to flpevman
I would typically agree because its just not necessary.
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Duncan lockhart 5 hours ago in reply to flpevman
Dear flpevman,

Thank you sir.
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SocalTeknique 5 hours ago in reply to flpevman
Thank You!
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iamajimm 5 hours ago
YOWEEEZZZZAAA-this is going to go through the roof by Christmas, betcha betcha betcha!!!!
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SocalTeknique 5 hours ago
"Amazon still has a long way to go before it catches up with Apple, which sold 300,000 iPads on its debut" This isnt a f@#ken tablet, Its an eReader isnt it? stop comparing everything to crApple!!!!!!
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Gatortribe 2 hours ago in reply to SocalTeknique
Agreed, but seriously? Who calls it "crApple" anymore? This isn't CNET.
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ILTim 4 hours ago in reply to SocalTeknique
I don't care what it isn't.  I pre-ordered a kindle fire because I want a 7" handheld web browser as an upgrade to my iPhone for around-the-house use.

The $199 price is about the max I'd pay for this use, and I'm not interested in shady third-rate brand names with questionable hardware and software quality and unknown support.  Having the Amazon brand backing this device and what is sure to be a massive user base assures me (in my personal opinion) that I will have a quality experience, or at least be able to hack it or return it if I'm unhappy.
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kindlejunkies 4 hours ago in reply to SocalTeknique
No.  It's a tablet.
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iamajimm 5 hours ago in reply to SocalTeknique
Amen and thank 'ya very much!!!  Well put.
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Pratesh Ramjohn 5 hours ago
I'm sure that it will hit 1m orders in the first day. Nov is a long way off.
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Slick312 5 hours ago
If this tablet has 100K pre-orders a month from release what will it be in November?
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kindlejunkies 5 hours ago in reply to Slick312
YET AGAIN!  The 100K was first day sales.
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Lucario MOD 6 hours ago
I also love how it doesn't have any cameras on it so you can take it to high security workplaces that don't allow devices with cameras :)
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Amir Muslim 4 hours ago in reply to Lucario
That is true.  Cameras are a security risk.
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Senor Chang 6 hours ago
I can't hate... just recently went on a one-week vacation and at the airport/ on the planes... iPads... ipads everywhere.  Though I did see one Nook Color and a couple of Android tablets... but ipads EVERYWHERE.

All for media consumption.  People reading books, playing movies and games.  I think Amazon has the right idea here... people are buying these devices for entertainment more than any other reason.  Not saying any other reason is not legit or non-existent (I have seen ER docs using iPads for triage), but majority of consumers are playing Angry Birds more than doing facetime chats or working on spreadsheets it seems.
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kindlejunkies 6 hours ago in reply to Senor Chang
All true.
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waf4545 6 hours ago
Really i bet if it wasn't for apple we wouldn't have all these great android phones/tablets not to mention the Windows ui. That's y i cant hate on apple.
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Jay Chan 5 hours ago in reply to waf4545
Seems like a natural progression from the original Amazon Kindle. An e-reader that had many wondering if it could do more than read ebooks.

We have Xerox to thank for the UI
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mikeekim 6 hours ago in reply to waf4545
You might as well say, we wouldn't have mass produced cars if not for Ford.  But a lot of people still hate Fords.
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Duncan lockhart 6 hours ago in reply to waf4545
Microsoft Tablet PC first popularized this platform of technology in 2001. So thank Microsoft not Apple.

The only thing Apple did was give us more crazed fanboys over flashy overpriced gadgets yet again.
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MarkSNJ 6 hours ago in reply to Duncan lockhart
While clearly there was innovation from Microsoft, I'd hardly call it popularized. One might argue that the iPad was an especially bold move in light of the mediocre (at best) sales of Microsoft Tablet PC.
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waf4545 6 hours ago
OMG 95k WOW sad for RIM first Android phones shut down their phone line now fire against their playbook
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HarryChin 6 hours ago
sometimes I wish apple didn't exist...or at least the ipad
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Diego Mota 5 hours ago in reply to HarryChin
Sometimes I wish the comments would be revent to the article.
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Samuel Dontoh 6 hours ago in reply to HarryChin
Sometimes i just wish trolls didn't exist..... Or at least that harry chin guy.
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RobertHausner 6 hours ago
A Query: Accepting that UK launch of the Fire has 'no date', I am still anxious to know if the device witll work in the UK and France (if bought in the US and transhipped)
My Palo Alto friends have suggested I consult a French Techie (I live on the Cote D'zur).
Canna' ya' help??

roberthau@gmail.com
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James Winters 6 hours ago
I like the way the tablet market is shaping up.  The Kindle fire leads the charge into mainstream acceptance of the low-end android based tablets, Apple sits as King of the middle ground with the iPad, and Microsoft is going to try to show that bigger tablets can be used productively, and will probably range higher than the iPad in price, but also offer greater functionality.  The iPad will be in trouble if Microsoft can actually get some manufacturers to produce tablets of at least decent quality that come close to matching the iPad's portability.  If Microsoft can convince people that a Windows tablet works, then Apple could wind up getting squeezed from the top and the bottom.  The Apple fans will counter with all the reasons why that won't happen, and I will grant that it requires successes on the part of Apple's competitors.  Apple could very well continue to dominate the tablet market, but I think that other big movers in the tech world are too hungry for the tablet market to surrender it to Apple through mediocrity.  The winner of the ultimate tablet showdown: consumers.
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iamajimm 5 hours ago in reply to James Winters
Amen and well said; crApple will continue to dominate in sales for a while but you're absolutely right about being squeezed on both ends.  Win8 could be the dominate force if it ends up on a lower to medium priced tablet that isn't a pos.
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bleached 5 hours ago in reply to iamajimm
Microsoft has been pushing the tablet thing for 10 years without any success. What makes you think that Is suddenly going to change now?
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kindlejunkies 4 hours ago in reply to bleached
Because their is a massive niche for a full powered tablet.  All Tablets out now are for consuming media.  None are for actual production purposes, and MS has really been on a roll, and from what I've seen it's going to continue with Windows 8 Tablets.
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medicalprofessional 5 hours ago in reply to bleached
You only have to see the preview release of Win 8 to convince yourself. If you do not see the potential threat, then you may be blind.... Windows tablets before is not the same as Windows 8... I couldn't even put them in the same sentence.
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bleached 4 hours ago in reply to medicalprofessional
I installed Win8 on my laptop. It was very annoying and confusing. It will hopefully be better with a touch screen. That, combined with legacy apps not being available on ARM (that wouldn't be touch optimized anyways) as well as the bad taste that Windows has left with people, not to mention it will be a year before it is released, means Windows 8 has an up hill battle ahead of it.
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medicalprofessional 4 hours ago in reply to bleached
I installed Win 8 on my HP TM2 and it's all good. I am eagerly waiting for at least a beta release. But as expected, everything works as intended...
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Guest 6 hours ago
Comment exploded into a million tiny pieces of glittery magic.
 
Richard Gilboy 6 hours ago in reply to Guest
i love referral codes!
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Kellic 6 hours ago
Meh.  I've got a Transformer.  I MAY look at a 10" version of this next year.  As it stands...too small.  For me at the very least.  If that size floats your boat more power to you.

Jay Chan 5 hours ago
As stated by others, this is an e-reader. Cameras would make this product barred from entering certain places of business. You'll be SOL if you want to bring your e-reader with you if it contained a camera.
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Duncan lockhart 6 hours ago
I agree, a small camera would be nifty, but since I already have a phone for that kinda thing and its so cheap for what you get already, I can't really complain.
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Fredrick 3 hours ago in reply to Duncan lockhart
Touche
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Fredrick 3 hours ago in reply to Duncan lockhart
Touche
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Gadgetless 6 hours ago
The Kindle Fire will be the second best selling tablet within 3 months of launch.  First place is of course the iPad.  Everyone else will be a distant third.
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n00dl3s 3 hours ago in reply to Gadgetless
I think you're probably going to be wrong on this one. 95k is just the first day. There is 7 weeks from the announcement to the launch. If Apple launched their iPad at 300k, this one has 6.5 weeks of press and time to sell more.

It might be close, but this thing has so much buzz it's not even funny. I predict we'll see more than 300k by day one.
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kindlejunkies 6 hours ago in reply to Gadgetless
Totally agree.
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Spiccolli 6 hours ago
Browsed through the specs, but can anyone confirm if the fire will support SMB or something similar?  This, combined with a VNC app would part me from my $199.
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Dustin 6 hours ago in reply to Spiccolli
I searched the amazon appstore for samba apps, best found was a file transfer app.
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WeaponZero 6 hours ago in reply to Spiccolli
Considering it runs on Android, the answer is yes. But if you need CIFS support you probably will have to load up a custom kernel.
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Narayanan Apparasan 6 hours ago
Dont compare tihis device to iPad..... iPad entirely in different league, as of now no competitive product for iPad...
This should be compare with nook-color...  both addressing same audience... If I've to pick one among this, I prefer nook-color.....
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Guest 6 hours ago in reply to Narayanan Apparasan
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m00tikins 5 hours ago in reply to Guest
I'm not sure what you're talking about.  Apple sells more products than any of those companies.  I don't know if you know this or not, but they're the number one tech company.  Just wanted to let you know that, I don't want you making a fool of yourself or anything....  So let me clear this up for you:  all of those companies you have listed above are all competing against each other.  They don't come together on weekends and form the Justice League of Android.  They are all on there own, trying to get their own piece of the mobile market.  None of them even compare to Apple in terms of units sold.  Hell, HTC and Samsung both struck deals with Microsoft, with the latter publicly expressing their frustration with Google.  Meanwhile, Apple passes Exxon.  I'm sure the only thing Apple is worried about is other tech companies *cough* Samsung *cough* stealing their shit.
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Caesarzs 5 hours ago in reply to Guest
i do agree they're all isheep however apple will still make more profits then every company you listed.
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inguatu 6 hours ago in reply to Narayanan Apparasan
How is the ipad in a different league? is it because of the awesome camera?   How about the light bleed?   The price maybe?   Or is it the fruit-themed logo?    I didnt' think so.
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MobileReality 5 hours ago in reply to inguatu
150% it's about the logo
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carg0 6 hours ago
im gonna wait for an actual hands-on review before jumping on the band-wagon.  if it can surf and play videos smoothly, i'll be more than happy to get one.
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andrew jackson 6 hours ago
I think think this is pretty much the perfect device for me, I need a tablet I can take with me when I am waiting for the lady at boring shit, like shopping or the inlaws. I just wish it had an SD card slot so I could watch in places that  don't have wifi. Hopefully wireless hard drives will work with this so you can watch your own ripped media, a clunky solution but the only option.

Either this or spring for a 64gb 3G iPad.
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Zahur Fenty 6 hours ago
blah blah blah. does it have a front facing camera
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TikiGawd 6 hours ago in reply to Zahur Fenty
Blah blah, no.  Blah blah who cares?
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inguatu 6 hours ago in reply to Zahur Fenty
blah blah blah.. 95% of the people using ipad2s out there now don't use their front facing camera.  Fact.
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Dustin 6 hours ago in reply to inguatu
I know I don't, till my brother pointed to the dark spot and said "is that a camera", out comes photobooth for 2 minutes of fun.
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Slick312 5 hours ago in reply to Dustin
What did you do after the 2 minutes were up?
My point: Do you really need a camera? For $199 you might want to reconsider what you really need.
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Dustin 5 hours ago in reply to Slick312
In that story, I went back to reading my book or angry birds... I forget. lol  I agree with your point.
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salsero69 7 hours ago
If only ebooks were competitively priced.
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Kennith Moon 6 hours ago in reply to salsero69
I agree, it took me 6 months to get over the fact that I am paying ~8-15 bucks and not getting the book. But then I read a 1000+ page book on the kindle and the reduction in weight was worth it.
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fforblack 7 hours ago
This device is meant for consuming items from amazon...so stop complaining about the device not having a camera for skype or any other complaints...its for this very reason that this device exists...another medium for amazon to reach its customers...
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Narayanan Apparasan 7 hours ago
Though the money is small... early buyers will regret later....
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pinckneychar 6 hours ago in reply to Narayanan Apparasan
????? That may be the biggest ASSumption I have ever heard.
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Goober Peas 6 hours ago in reply to Narayanan Apparasan
Why would I regret saving $300 over an iPad?  All I want is a color ereader that allows me to surf the web and watch videos.  This looks like the perfect device.
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Narayanan Apparasan 6 hours ago in reply to Goober Peas
iPad has hell lot of functions besides an ereader.... iPad can be used by all age groups across all profession... My one year daughter playing with iPad using Yahoo Kid and some painting app...
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WeaponZero 6 hours ago in reply to Narayanan Apparasan
But see 90% of tablet usage is watching videos and surfing the internet which the kindle fire can do just as well if not better (considering larger choice of browsers and flash support).

The other 10% is just a niche market. That said this can run Android apps, so 99% of the most popular apps will be on it.
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Don Williams 6 hours ago in reply to Goober Peas
Why in hell would you even consider an iPad if all you want is a color e-reader in the first place? The iPad is a lot more than an e-reader, but if that's all you want then I suggest the Fire.
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Goober Peas 6 hours ago in reply to Don Williams
Umm, did you actually read my comment?  I said that the fire looks like the perfect device for my needs.
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jjortiz1286 7 hours ago
The hate-talk against the Kindle Fire is baffling.

"No cameras! No stock Android! No Honeycomb! Too much Bezel!" yadda yadda, etc. It's going to sell extremely well, get over it nerds.

It's going to be the FIRST Android tablet to sell millions, beyond the Galaxy Tab, and people will actually be interested in it. It already has instant name recognition.

Until now Android tablets have been disposable me-too devices. Nobody really cares for them outside the tech blogs and nerd circles.  People want iPads, not Android tablets.

And now they'll want either Kindles or iPads.

The truth hurts doesn't it nerds?
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Dustin 6 hours ago in reply to jjortiz1286
Just need to use the proper come-backs and problem solved. lol

No cameras! - Your too ugly for cameras!
No stock Android! - Neither does your Mom!
Too much Bezel! - So does your face!
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Grant Baxter 7 hours ago in reply to jjortiz1286
jjortiz, you are on the wrong site to be calling anyone a nerd....
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darkcrayon 7 hours ago in reply to jjortiz1286
And this is not "your Google's Android", literally. No google services, no google ads, out of sync with the latest version of Android (well even more out of sync than the companies that are trying to stay in sync). Should be interesting, a popular Android device with absolutely no enforced control from Andy & Google...
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inguatu 6 hours ago in reply to darkcrayon
How is that different that Android on ANY device now?   Google refuses to take control, ensuring device manufacturers support their own devices after launch.   At least with Amazon they have a vested interested in their OWN product, sort of like Apple but with less d00che.
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darkcrayon 4 hours ago in reply to inguatu
You must not know what happens if you try to use a non google wireless location service on your Android device ;)
(Hint, you can, so long as you forgo the use of Google Maps, the Android market, and any other services people expect from an Android device).
In fact, Andy Rubin himself is in charge of determining whether a device is "compatible" and is eligible for the Google apps.
Bottom line, the Fire is a far different "Android" device from the typical ones (sure, other companies have come out with non-Google Android devices, but those were mostly your $75 kirfs without much sales potential).
Notice how Google was conspicuously silent during and after the Fire release? You're right, Amazon has a vested interest in their OWN product, and those interests have nothing to do with Google's, except that they are leveraging Google's work on the lower levels of the Android OS.
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BahamasGeek242 7 hours ago
I think this is a great device and so is the Ipad but why are they being constantly compared to each other they are in two different sprecturms of the tablet market.  One tablet gives you the latest's and greatest hardware available at price that is higher because of the hardware specs and the other gives you something similar at the lower end but they still do  the same thing, they both can get you from point A to point B.
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WeaponZero 5 hours ago in reply to BahamasGeek242
While they may be targeting different markets, studies have shows that the 2 primary uses for tablets is surfing the web and watching movies. So while other stuff are nice to have, they are a niche.

Aka, while this tablet may be be targeting ereaders and just be a glorified eReader. It will start chipping into iPads marketshare. Just like how flash cards, cds and internet downloads while are different markets have great impact on each other. or how HTML5 and Flash target different markets but have an effect due to overlap in the market.

So question remains, at the need of the day if all you do is surf the net and watch movies, why may 500$ when you can pay 200$ for the same exact experience if not better.(due to more choice of browsers and flash support)
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Slick312 5 hours ago in reply to WeaponZero
I thought one of the most popular uses for tablets was baby-sitting your kids; I've seen this all too often.

 I agree this will hurt all tablet sales; it will impact Apple the most since Apple is the majority seller at this time.
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WeaponZero 5 hours ago in reply to Slick312
True, but at same time kids are VERY easy to please, just load up angrybirds or some other game that Amazon gives away free every day and they'll be happy.

Usually the polls ask what the users use their tablet for, not what their kids use it for. But again it still serves that purpose just as well.
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Brandon Guttersohn 6 hours ago in reply to BahamasGeek242
the iPad is the latest and greatest hardware available at a price that matches the specs? I have an iPad, and I can tell you now, it was never priced according to it's hardware. Android tablets of the same price point have always had much better/more hardware than ipads...the main difference between an iPad and Android is that iOS is more reliable/effecient/polished than android (albeit more restrictive as well). In terms of hardware (ignoring the aluminum unibody), the iPad is always outclassed by android equivalents.


I love the freedom of my android phone, but it always feel like buggy beta software compared to my iOS devices.
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BahamasGeek242 6 hours ago in reply to Brandon Guttersohn
You made good points I can argue with you at all really.  I also agree my android phone does feel buggy at times but I think that is because its running on so many different types of hardware every user gets a different experience, That might be googles problem.  and I have to say IOS is a lot more polished but Apple has had a longer time to polish their OS vs google and they only have to worry about their on hardware so maybe ICS will surprise us all and it will be rock solid.
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Kiran Konathala 7 hours ago
I thought Engadget posted this last week on Thursday?
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Ardrid 7 hours ago
I've got 3 ordered.  Why?  Because if this is anything like the Kindle 2, it'll be sold out for months shortly after launch.  There's money to be made; enough to pay for the one I'll keep and then some :)

And if not, I've got a great Christmas present for my dad and bro.
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Anthony Gobot 7 hours ago
Ill stick to my rooted NC and my iPad does enough to keep me happy.
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inguatu 6 hours ago in reply to Anthony Gobot
so you posted a non-comment.  Brilliant, Tony Robot.